DeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3902 posts, RR: 8 Posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2508 times:
Here's a question I've been thinking about for a while:
What do you think airlines like Eastern, the original Pan Am, PeoplExpress, etc., would be flying today if they were still in operation? What modern planes would they have added & what would they have phased out by now?
Canadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2480 times:
If Wardair Canada Ltd. were still around (and kept out of the scheduled
market) I would assume they would be operating an all airbus fleet of
A340/A330/A310/A320. Although I would much rather envision the Wardair
of 2002 operating B-747-400's/B-777's! They would also have redesigned their livery, replacing the white fuselage with a navy blue one, and "Wardair"
in gold lettering. Also, smashing Flight Attendant uniforms, designed by
either Armani, Valentino or Halston. Aaaah, one can dream, no?
Braniff727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2466 times:
I would imagine Braniff International would be replacing the 727's with either 737-800's or A320's, the DC-8's would have been replaced with 757's. I would think that the 747-SP would still be in the fleet, but eventually replaced with 777 and the 747's might be replaced with 744.
If Braniff were still in the air, they would be all A320's by now with the death of the POS 737's they had, as well as the retirement of the 727's and the awful BAC111's.
Zrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3316 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2433 times:
A lot of this depends on the health of the carriers. Are we talking about PA if it were still the world-class carrier it was in the 60's and 70's? Or are we talking about the fledgling airline that flew dirty planes is the 90's?
I'll post as though each airline "pulled through" their troubled times:
PA would honor its Boeing legacy with a fleet of 777's, 767's, 757's and 737's.
TW: 767's, 757's, 717's
PI: Would have eventually bought out US (instead of the other way around) and would fly 330's, 320's, and 717's.
BN: 767's, 737's, 330's
OZ and RC would have merged to form Liberty Airlines: 717's, 737's, 319's, 757's
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13923 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2349 times:
EA wouldn't have continued to purchase Airbus products, for several reasons:
1. The A-321 and B-757-200 are competing aircraft, and since they already had a fleet of B-757 aircraft (being the launch customer), they would continue to purchase both -200 and -300 equipment.
2. Their relationship with Airbus Industrie had cooled over the years, as they experienced higher-than-normal dispatch reliability problems with their A-300B4 equipment. Airbus was less than cooperative with EA by the time they were on the ropes, especially since they didn't "need" EA anymore due to increasing orders from other U.S. carriers.
3. Marty Shugrue (EA's bankruptcy trustee) had entered into several MOUs with Boeing over using Boeing equipment going forward, assuming EA survived and needed new aircraft.
4. Continental Airlines is where they are today in large part due to Eastern Air Lines (the scavenging of planes, parts, people, equipment, and routes). If EA existed today, it's likely that they would be around INSTEAD of CO. Since CO was already a large Boeing/McDonnell Douglas customer, it's unlikely that a succeeding carrier (assuming EA and CO were integrated, with EA being the surviving entity) would change their fleet significantly.
These things being said, EA's fleet today would have likely looked something like this:
B-777 and larger equipment really wouldn't have been necessary for EA, and none of their routes (assuming they had not expanded further) would have required ETOPS certification. (MIA-LGW had been suspended long before they liquidated)
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
DeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3902 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2228 times:
Interesting answers. I would have thought PA would have gone all-Airbus with 747-400s, maybe a couple -200s, and maybe some 777s. It seemed like PA & Airbus were gonna be pretty close before they went under.
It would have been interesting to see what they did with the A320 family, if they would have been a big operator of it.
Wn700driver- Thanks for the compliment! I'm surprised no one thought of it before me- I was worried I wouldn't be able to start it!
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2125 times:
Of course, some people have a bit of humor about defunct airlines, I was at a recent collectibles show, and one deal had A380 models in Pan Am and various shades of Braniff (which were selling like hotcakes).
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12781 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2125 times:
I think when you're considering some of these issues, you also need to look at where these airlines went wrong. From PA's point of view, the situation is particularly interesting in that although most would concede they ordered too many 747s, would Boeing (which had bet the company on the 747) have gone ahead if they hadn't ordered so many. They probably would, I think. However, I think they would have tried to phase out a good number of them, reducing the number to 15. One problem they had is that in the 1970s, there wasn't too much on offer between the 747 and 707 (in size) - only the DC10 and L1011-500, which they eventually went for.
The A310 was a good aircraft for their t/a routes, but it wouldn't have worked on the Pacific, so they'd still have faced commonality issues and until the A340/MD11 came on the scene (they'd probably have gone for the 340), they had nothing to fill that gap. Who knows? Certainly, they'd need to have challenged their reputation for service, which was very poor.