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User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

I notice that flights leaving from North America to Asia are either around noon or around midnight. What is the reason for these specific departure times?

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User currently offlineDanialanwar From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 421 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

Flying time US-Asia taking into account the time difference is somewhere between 4 and 6 hours (.ie you leave at noon, you arrive at 4pm => 4 hours).

Noon Departures: Allow for connections from other US cities to the point of origin of Asia flight

Midnight Departures: Reach Asia at around 6am. This is currently done for long flights to Asia, such as Taiwan & Hong Kong. Japan and Korea are too close (everything is relative, huh), so in order not to arrive during curfew hours you'd have to leave the US at like 2 or 3 am, or fly via Anchorage. Passengers don't really like either option here



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User currently offlineAirFranceJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

At JFK, JL KE and NH all depart around noon for Asia, while China Airlines, KE (second departure) and OZ depart around midnight. I think any other departure between 3pm and 11pm from the U.S. would mean an arrival in Asia during the wee morning hours. The noon departures arrive in Asia in the evening and the midnight departures arrive in the early morning around 6am.

User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

Ive heard it several times but just one question, what the hell is a curfew, I know Kai Tak had one, but Ive only heard the term used in asian airports.

User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

UA flight 801 leaves JFK at 1300, Flt 881 from ORD leaves at 1230, 883 leaves at 1330, 895 leaves at 1245, all of these are to make it to Asia to meet up with late afternoon Connections to internal Asian Cities.


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User currently offlineDanialanwar From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 421 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Curfew (probably not the most exact word) means a period of time during which airlines cannot land or take-off ... most airports close to cities have such a one at night. Also, immigration may not always be open (kind of an issue when on an international flight). Airports with curfews that I can think of are Narita, Seoul (not sure if the new Incheon has it too), Sydney, Zurich, ...


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User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Incheon has no curfew...Shouldn't be an issue there. But why does Narita have one? I thought it was in the middle of nowhere?

User currently offlineDanialanwar From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 421 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

I am not sure if Narita has but I find it ominous that there are no departures after 10pm and no arrivals before 6am. Midnight departures would allow for overnight flights to Europe (AF doing that, leaves NRT at 10pm, CDG arr 4am or so) and Southeast Asia


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User currently offlineJames768 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

Narita has one - it was agreed when the airport was built in order to buy off the local farmers and residents who were protesting violently at the new airport. You might think it was crazy caving in to such a small local lobby, but this is Japan.

And yes it is miles and miles and miles from Tokyo


User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

Don't any of these cities have overnight cargo operations? They need to come join us in the 21st century if they do not.

joe


User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1583 times:

KE flies from DFW to ICN at 12.30 a.m. and it lands into ICN plus 1 day at 4.30 a.m. That is in order for it to connect with our other flights to other Pacific destinations such as HKG, BKK, MNL, etc...

On the return flight from ICN to DFW, the plane leaves out of ICN after flights from BKK, MNL, HKG, etc...arrive into ICN, so that others can connect back to the United States.

Also, ICN is built on a man-made island/land-fill and there is no curfew at this airport. Good things about ICN are this, no curfew, plus it was built under budget and a lot less expensive than the new HKG Airport and for that matter, Narita. This helps ICN offer lower landing fees to the airlines, which the airlines pass on in terms of lower air fares for passengers and lower cargo rates when traveling to/from ICN.




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