Jcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3312 times:
The fact that AA is dropping the last of its Reno Air routes isnt too suprising, it just proves the strength of WN (and to a certain extent UA) in California.
I am suprised though that they are dropping first class down to 12 seats on the fives. I might be able to understand dropping to 16, but 12 is pretty low. This could really come back and bite AA, especially with Gold and Silver AAdvantage members. Now the only people who will be getting upgraded on most flights will be Platinum and Exec. Platinum. To the average Silver/Gold member the change will be obvious, its not like taking a tomato off the salad in FC, and if I was them I might be pretty annoyed. Adding capacity on the existing flights is a good idea, alienating people who might fly 40k a year is a bad thing.
Sllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3289 times:
I have to agree that cutting all the way back to twelve is pretty severe. And most of the time F manages to be fairly full -- more than 12 seats. And it sure doesn't appear that, most of the time, it's operational (read: free) upgrades, since I'm Platinum and when I opt to stay in Y I don't get bumped forward much.
Sjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3260 times:
*expresses shock* the entire west coast dropped by AA.... jeez. guess they just couldnt fight WN anymore on the sjc/lax legs... the first class thing kinda surprises me, doesn't seem like a very good strategy.
N960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3220 times:
Wow, that's all rather drastic. I'm sorry, if it is indeed true, to see them end LAX-SFO/SJC. Will the ERJ140 service from LAX to OAK stay? That always seemed like the odd one out of those three [it was main-line pre-9/11 I believe]. Will AA also pull LAX-LAS and LAX-PHX. PHX is operated with ERJs [mainline M80s pre-9/11] and LAS is M80s. I would imagine LA-Bay area has higher yields, but I guess that doesn't matter these days. I don't know if those are ex-QQ routes or what.
Anyway, I hope AA keeps those, DL has basically withered away to nothing and UA as it has done everywhere has really reduced its operation. Will AA consolidate all LAX mainline flights at T4? T3 is rather shabby and just isn't the same without my beloved TWA [Totally Wasted by American - points to whoever worked that one out]. However, as much as AA let people know they had flights out of T3 and T4 people are always confused.
This is kinda crappy really - it is not the first time an airline has come in and bought up a west coast carrier like QQ and then eventually totally abandoned all the old routes [USAir with PSA comes to mind]. I guess the west is only territory of three - Alaska/Horizon, Southwest and United.
Sean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 752 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3142 times:
This is pathetic. The SAN-SJC flights, as well as the SJC-LAX flights are always pretty full. At least they could just reduce capacity, but killing all the flights? What about the Sony, HP, Gateway, and biotech employees who live in SD and goto SJC all the time? The first class seems a little wacky, but I guess it makes sense in this economy. But jeez, just killing the west coast??? Ahhh, I'm so pissed.
AA-SAN From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 139 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3120 times:
Having flown most of these routs, and seeing the loads, especially in first, I'll believe it when I see it. You've provided very reliable info in the past, but these just don't seem like very likely moves by AA. Having learned their lesson through the abandonment of RDU and BNA in the past, I think that AA would be crazy to drop so many SJC flights. It would basically ammount to giving up on SJC as a mini-hub. That is one of the few reasons that I still hold on to my AA loyalty. Let's hope that this is just a false rumor, or I'm going to have to find another way to travel around CA until AA pulls it's head out of you know where and realizes that its west coast presence was a very valuable asset, even if it wasn't making any money in these very difficult times.
Sean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 752 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3098 times:
A little more proof, clarification...
I just checked with my roommate who's booked AA SAN-SJC-SAN during December. Yesterday travelocity contacted him about a change in plans. Looks like his flight was cancelled, and changed. The new flight is still a direct SAN-SJC flight. Perhaps these are just readjustments to work with the new peaking scheme, and the loss of connecting flights thru SJC, and not a total abandonment. SJC used to get a lot of connecting traffic to and from SAN, like AUS-SJC-SAN, but with all the cuts it's probably languishing.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6049 posts, RR: 25 Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2964 times:
The once daily LAX-ABQ is supposed to get chopped as well.
Although these cuts seem drastic, I wouldn't be totally surprised. Sure the planes are full....but the yields are absolutely terrible because AA is matching WN's fares. On routes where AA is using RJ's, you need some high fares to balance out the relatively high CASM of the ERJ. Yields are likely to get worse with JB's arrival in the LGB-OAK market.
I had heard about the reduction in F seats on the 738. Although I thought it was only supposed to go from 20 to 16. To be fair, CO and DL only have 16 F seats. Putting more seats makes some sense since A) most in F are just upgraders B) AA already has MRTC so coach isn't too bad C) the extra seats allow AA to make a little more money per plane (even if they're just filling them with lowfare travelers) and D) it will increase mainline ASM's which should provide a little help on the scope clause issues.
Aa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2941 times:
If flights are full as are the routes AA is dropping does not mean they are making $$. The yields are so low that they still loose $$ overalll. Kind of the same reason that we are cutting back on F capacity. 99% of first class traffic is some type of upgrade, and the revenue generated does not offset the cost of providing the product. Sorry all you PLT GOLD and EXC PLT members out there but AA is not a charity to provide free upgrades to you.
BNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3156 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2839 times:
RNO/LAX & SJC/LAX,
I can't believe that they would drop LAX-SFO, I thought that United getting rid of shuttle by United would leave some room for American to stay. Is Southwest going to end up with the market to themselves.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6049 posts, RR: 25 Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2821 times:
I consider changing a flight from daily to once a week to be dropping a flight. Lets face it, what good is a Sat. only flight going to do for business travelers??? All AA will get now is some leisure traffic and nothing more...the rest will go to WN.
AASTEW From Dominican Republic, joined Oct 2001, 443 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2725 times:
None of these changes has been stated by AMERICAN AIRLINES CORPRATE COMMUNICATIONS....
For the person who stated 737 and 757 f/c cabins would be downgraded to 12 from 20 and 22 respectively, just to provided space for the MRTC cabin. All AA airplanes are already completed!! What are you talking about?
AA F/A LGA
25 Trvlr: If you can say goodbye to all of these West Coast routes, you can probably also say goodbye to SJC-NRT. And the SJC-Hawaii routes, for that matter. Ho
26 Ladevale: UA744Flagship writes: "Sometimes its hard to even get upgrades as PLT. I didn't get an upgrade on an SFO-DFW flight the other day on a 757 with 22 sea
27 Tan Flyr: Ladevale...You point out some interesting points about how upgrades are allocated. I presumed that when you registered online for an upgrade it was ba
28 UA744Flagship: Ladevale- big fat "duh". The point is, PLT are a dime a dozen these days. Of course I'm on the bottom of the PLT list. But what amazes me were that th
29 Sean-SAN-: This is the wave of the future folks.. Just look at the airlines in the EU, even British.. First class will soon just be economy++ .. Still, anything'
30 Jahckass: This would be VERY VERY upsetting. This would be the SECOND time American has take over an airline that had major presence in San Jose then eliminated
31 TxAgKuwait: Sean write, and I quote >>"Still, anything's better then ghetto WN."
32 MAH4546: Latest word is that, at least in the routes are not goners, but are going RJ (although SNA-SFO already has).
33 Jcs17: Describing an airline as ghetto...haha! I mean, are they involved in drive-bys, gang shootings, do the pilots show up with 40s in their jackets (oh, s
34 Sean-SAN-: I'll just forget about the first part of TxAg's comments, since from his username it sounds like he is an Aggie and therefore has limited intelligence
35 Sllevin: I'll split the difference. I agree that WN has an outstanding coach product. Better than anything except MRTC. The main reasons I don't fly WN most of
36 Trvlr: However illegitimate WN-bashing may be, I do tend to agree with Sean regarding airline preference. If I had a choice between AA and WN (for me, it's r
37 777boy: As of AA's Sept. 7th timetable, SJC-LAS, LAX, SAN, SNA for January 15 (random date past December) still list as M80s/738s. I don't see any changes the
38 FATFlyer: Looks like the changes are starting to get loaded in the res systems. SJC-LAX is getting 8 weekday RJs, SJC-SAN is getting 4 RJs.
39 Usairways85: a little O/T my dad is a high status FF for AA, and we used to receive the AA timetable every couple of months, however we haven't received one for 4
40 MAH4546: As sated above, SJC-LAX and SJC-SAN are going to American Eagle. The RJs are coming from LAX-PHX, FLL-RDU, and LAX-ABQ, all dead this fall. The M80s w
41 AA777-200: AA has quit publishing Timetables. They are only available online now or as the electronic timetable download. It was a cost cutting measure in hopes
42 FATFlyer: Also looks like Fresno is gaining an additional RJ flight on FAT-LAX in December. No other LAX Saab routes appear to changing in December.