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User currently offlineAlitalia777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 494 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Hello everyone,
This was a question that my dad and I have been recently discussing, and we can't find a sure answer to. Can anyone tell me what the top ten largest airlines lines in the world are in order from largest to smallest. Thanks a ton, and looking foward to your responses.

Alitalia777

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

1.) AA
2.) UAL
3.) DL
4.) NWA
5.) BA
6.) CO



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User currently offlineAirbus A380 From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

Largest in terms of revenue? Passengers? Fleet size? Assets?

User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

You have to be more specific Alitalia777. What do you mean by "largest"?

Most aircraft?

Most income?

Most extensive network?


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Airline Business ranks the top five airline companies by revenue as follows:

(1) American Airlines
(2) United Airlines
(3) FedEx
(4) Lufthansa
(5) Delta Air Lines


User currently offlineDLLongIsland From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

I believe in terms of passengers carried, Delta is #1.

User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3270 times:
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I believe STT757's list is correct, if measured by the number of pax carried or fleet size. IMO an airline should be judged how big they are by the number of pax they carry annually and the fleet size. After all, airlines are all about aircraft and the passengers they carry. (making money aswell obviously)




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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Previously in a thread with a similar line of thinking, I posted the figures released by Flight International in the annual review of airline profits (have I missed the 2002 edition? Probably and hopefully not).

However, the figures are pre 11 September 2001 and would appear to be irrelevant for current viewing.

The airline which has made the most profit since is Singapore Airlines Group, and the airline with the highest market capitalisation is Singapore Airlines.

With regards to passenger numbers, I would think it's either Delta Air Lines or American Airlines - Delta carried more passengers than American in August 2002.



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User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

Singapore_Air says:

, and the airline with the highest market capitalisation is Singapore Airlines.

Other sources suggest:

Singapore Airlines, valued at $US8.39billion ...
Southwest the world's highest market capitalisation at $US9.4billion,

---Australian Financial Review August 2, 2002 Friday

Airline sized is ranked in RPKs, no other measure is accurate in revealing the breadth and depth of an airline's size.

kind regards,

RogueTrader



User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

In terms of fleet size, I recall hearing somewhere that UPS was the largest. Correct me if if I'm wrong.

aw


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

RogueTrader is correct. RPKs are a good indicator of airline size, because they take into account the carrier's network as well as income.

Fleet size doesn't mean much -- airline status isn't measured by the number of aircraft they happen to use. After all, British European has more aircraft than Virgin Atlantic.

Neither does market capitalisation: how can airlines be reasonably compared based on the whims of the stock market? Capitalisation can soar or drop overnight and, at the end of the day, is only as accurate as share-traders' expectations. It's a bit like trying to value a painting.


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

AWspicious

Think UPS has "only" around 250 aircraft. That's roughly as many as Air Canada.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Roguetrader: Damn the Singapore Dollar. It's being doing stuff lately.

While RPK is arguably the best form of measuring airline 'size' (I've never used it, I'll do some research now), I do not think what I said about fleet size and market capitalisation and profits should be dismissed indirectly as irrelevant.



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Note, when I do this, and an airline quotes a figure for RPK in a particular month as 6 500 000 000 - do I convert into US$ or just keep it like that?


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Backfire,

Is this the correct top 5?

Rogue Trader,

What's up. Didn't you say in an earlier post today that none of the top 6 airlines had ordered the A380? Big grin

Goodnight,



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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 1410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3090 times:

Backfire/
British European is no more, we are now flybe.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

regards

mike


User currently offlineLeo From China, joined May 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3089 times:

This discussions shows that few people recognise that airlines carry both passengers and freight and that they need to measured according to how much they carry of BOTH.

So please when you measure airline size, you need to do so by:

# TOTAL revenue of PAX & FREIGHT

or

# TOTAL Ton Kilometers carried, that is PAX and FREIGHT together


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3081 times:

Leo: I agree, however, some in my research, for example British Airways do not state the cargo numbers so it would be unfair to do as such.

I'll have some results when a certain TV programme finishes.



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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3058 times:

Leo: Technically you're right. We were just trying to simplify matters.

Singapore Air: You can't "convert" RPKs to dollars. RPK isn't a currency...it's a multiplicative combination of factors, a little like kilowatt-hours.

Manni: It's the top five by revenue according to the latest Airline Business data, which is normally pretty thoroughly researched.

HUYfan: Yes, I know. I'm still getting used to it.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3031 times:

AA is largest, DL is largest however if measuring passenger numbers carried.

User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

Manni asks:

Rogue Trader,

What's up. Didn't you say in an earlier post today that none of the top 6 airlines had ordered the A380?


No, I said it in a post several days ago in response to a similar topic in response to you and Joni. Not only did I say that, I said that only 2 of the top 10 carriers ordered the A380 and that the 'major' European airlines are about half the size of US majors. I posted the same evidence that I'm posting here below - rank of world airlines, which for some reason I have to post here again for you to remember it.

Singapore_Air: RPKs need no currency conversion - maybe you should investigate what these are before you go too much further.


Rank Airline (000,000) in revenue passenger kilometers (RPKs)

1 United 187,666

2 American 170,883

3 Delta 163,663

4 Northwest 117,658

5 British Airways 106,270

6 Continental 98,374

7 Air France 94,415

8 Lufthansa 86,695

9 JAL 84,265

10 US Airways 73,930

----Air Transport World July 1, 2002



kind regards,
RogueTrader



User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

That info is not current.

User currently offlineDLLongIsland From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Plain and simple - lets measure base this on number of passengers carried (IE, the airline's popularity in the eyes of the fliers)... If judging that way, Delta is the largest airline. Lets not give them the short stick just cause they don't charge as much for a coach seat as AA or UA

User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

SESGDL,

when you say:

That info is not current.

If you are referring to my post, I will have to invite you to find RPKs over the last year by any reputable source that shows differently. I will withold personal insults and complaints about your youthful ability to find and understand airline statistics until you have a chance to respond.

RPKs are the world standard in ranking passenger airlines - it takes into account both number of passengers flown and how far they fly, it is the only way to level out the playing field and fairly judge as between short haul high frequency carriers and longhaul low frequency carriers.

kind regards,

RogueTrader


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

ATW's
Top 25 Airlines
January-May 2002

Airline RPKs

1. American 77,120,475
2. United 68,381,737
3. Delta 60,556,087
4. Northwest 45,793,646
5. British Airways 40,749,000
6. Air France 39,762,900
7. Continental 38,700,740
8. Lufthansa 34,053,000
9. JAL 32,487,515
10. Qantas 31,683,000

Courtesy of Air Transport World
(www.atwonline.com)


There you go, RogueTrader. Shows how ignorant you are to not have known that American has been the world's largest airline since April 2001.

Jeremy


25 EA CO AS : Ok, let's be objective. DLLong Island and Singapore_Air are clearly trying (desperately) to make their respective companies rank as number one. Neithe
26 RogueTrader : SESGDL, Fortunately for you I never resort to name calling or posting erroneous facts. Do you really think someone of your status has any knowledge or
27 Post contains images Danialanwar : Hey, I have a suggestion ... why don't you say which airline is the biggest and then find a figure that proves it If you take history into considerati
28 DLLongIsland : In no way am I trying to make Delta something it's not. I'm not saying they have the biggest fleet, or make the most money, or fly the most routes. Wh
29 United Airline : SQ in terms of Fleet Size? I don't think SQ is even half as big as UA's Fleet.
30 Singapore_Air : Excuse me EA CO AS: There is no need for inflammatory and insulting remarks like that. You are rude. For your information, this is taking longer than
31 Post contains images Backfire : I think the world's largest air operation is actually the US Air Force.
32 Manni : Rogue Trader, You said yesterday in the topic about China and the A380 that none of the world six largest airlines are interested in the A380. Now, IF
33 Post contains images EA CO AS : Singapore_Air, you need to develop a thicker skin, my friend. I certainly wasn't attempting to be rude, but if you interpret telling the truth as bein
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