Alitalia777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2606 times:
Hello everyone,
This was a question that my dad and I have been recently discussing, and we can't find a sure answer to. Can anyone tell me what the top ten largest airlines lines in the world are in order from largest to smallest. Thanks a ton, and looking foward to your responses.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16252 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2557 times:
DLLongIsland From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 35 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2514 times:
I believe in terms of passengers carried, Delta is #1.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7791 posts, RR: 23 Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2474 times:
I believe STT757's list is correct, if measured by the number of pax carried or fleet size. IMO an airline should be judged how big they are by the number of pax they carry annually and the fleet size. After all, airlines are all about aircraft and the passengers they carry. (making money aswell obviously)
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13711 posts, RR: 21 Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2460 times:
Previously in a thread with a similar line of thinking, I posted the figures released by Flight International in the annual review of airline profits (have I missed the 2002 edition? Probably and hopefully not).
However, the figures are pre 11 September 2001 and would appear to be irrelevant for current viewing.
The airline which has made the most profit since is Singapore Airlines Group, and the airline with the highest market capitalisation is Singapore Airlines.
With regards to passenger numbers, I would think it's either Delta Air Lines or American Airlines - Delta carried more passengers than American in August 2002.
Backfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2397 times:
RogueTrader is correct. RPKs are a good indicator of airline size, because they take into account the carrier's network as well as income.
Fleet size doesn't mean much -- airline status isn't measured by the number of aircraft they happen to use. After all, British European has more aircraft than Virgin Atlantic.
Neither does market capitalisation: how can airlines be reasonably compared based on the whims of the stock market? Capitalisation can soar or drop overnight and, at the end of the day, is only as accurate as share-traders' expectations. It's a bit like trying to value a painting.
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13711 posts, RR: 21 Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2359 times:
Roguetrader: Damn the Singapore Dollar. It's being doing stuff lately.
While RPK is arguably the best form of measuring airline 'size' (I've never used it, I'll do some research now), I do not think what I said about fleet size and market capitalisation and profits should be dismissed indirectly as irrelevant.
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13711 posts, RR: 21 Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2334 times:
Note, when I do this, and an airline quotes a figure for RPK in a particular month as 6 500 000 000 - do I convert into US$ or just keep it like that?
Leo From China, joined May 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2293 times:
This discussions shows that few people recognise that airlines carry both passengers and freight and that they need to measured according to how much they carry of BOTH.
So please when you measure airline size, you need to do so by:
# TOTAL revenue of PAX & FREIGHT
or
# TOTAL Ton Kilometers carried, that is PAX and FREIGHT together
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13711 posts, RR: 21 Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2285 times:
Leo: I agree, however, some in my research, for example British Airways do not state the cargo numbers so it would be unfair to do as such.
I'll have some results when a certain TV programme finishes.
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3384 posts, RR: 11 Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2235 times:
AA is largest, DL is largest however if measuring passenger numbers carried.
RogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2203 times:
Manni asks:
Rogue Trader,
What's up. Didn't you say in an earlier post today that none of the top 6 airlines had ordered the A380?
No, I said it in a post several days ago in response to a similar topic in response to you and Joni. Not only did I say that, I said that only 2 of the top 10 carriers ordered the A380 and that the 'major' European airlines are about half the size of US majors. I posted the same evidence that I'm posting here below - rank of world airlines, which for some reason I have to post here again for you to remember it.
Singapore_Air: RPKs need no currency conversion - maybe you should investigate what these are before you go too much further.
Rank Airline (000,000) in revenue passenger kilometers (RPKs)
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3384 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2185 times:
DLLongIsland From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 35 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
Plain and simple - lets measure base this on number of passengers carried (IE, the airline's popularity in the eyes of the fliers)... If judging that way, Delta is the largest airline. Lets not give them the short stick just cause they don't charge as much for a coach seat as AA or UA
RogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2131 times:
SESGDL,
when you say:
That info is not current.
If you are referring to my post, I will have to invite you to find RPKs over the last year by any reputable source that shows differently. I will withold personal insults and complaints about your youthful ability to find and understand airline statistics until you have a chance to respond.
RPKs are the world standard in ranking passenger airlines - it takes into account both number of passengers flown and how far they fly, it is the only way to level out the playing field and fairly judge as between short haul high frequency carriers and longhaul low frequency carriers.
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3384 posts, RR: 11 Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2104 times:
ATW's
Top 25 Airlines
January-May 2002
Airline RPKs
1. American 77,120,475
2. United 68,381,737
3. Delta 60,556,087
4. Northwest 45,793,646
5. British Airways 40,749,000
6. Air France 39,762,900
7. Continental 38,700,740
8. Lufthansa 34,053,000
9. JAL 32,487,515
10. Qantas 31,683,000
Courtesy of Air Transport World
(www.atwonline.com)
There you go, RogueTrader. Shows how ignorant you are to not have known that American has been the world's largest airline since April 2001.
Jeremy
25 EA CO AS: Ok, let's be objective. DLLong Island and Singapore_Air are clearly trying (desperately) to make their respective companies rank as number one. Neithe
26 RogueTrader: SESGDL, Fortunately for you I never resort to name calling or posting erroneous facts. Do you really think someone of your status has any knowledge or
27 Danialanwar: Hey, I have a suggestion ... why don't you say which airline is the biggest and then find a figure that proves it If you take history into considerati
28 DLLongIsland: In no way am I trying to make Delta something it's not. I'm not saying they have the biggest fleet, or make the most money, or fly the most routes. Wh
29 United Airline: SQ in terms of Fleet Size? I don't think SQ is even half as big as UA's Fleet.
30 Singapore_Air: Excuse me EA CO AS: There is no need for inflammatory and insulting remarks like that. You are rude. For your information, this is taking longer than
31 Backfire: I think the world's largest air operation is actually the US Air Force.
32 Manni: Rogue Trader, You said yesterday in the topic about China and the A380 that none of the world six largest airlines are interested in the A380. Now, IF
33 EA CO AS: Singapore_Air, you need to develop a thicker skin, my friend. I certainly wasn't attempting to be rude, but if you interpret telling the truth as bein
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