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Frozen Toilet Waste Drops Into Family's Bathroom  
User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9580 times:

Frozen toilet waste drops into family's bathroom

A chunk of frozen toilet waste from an airliner has damaged a bathroom in a
Long Island house after crashing through the roof.

Teacher Susan Seltzer, of North Massapequa, had left the house in New York
state to go shopping just before the waste crashed through her roof.

The New York Daily News says she found ice, about the size of a honeydew
melon, in the hallway when she returned.

Her husband Kenneth said the ball of ice punched a hole in the roof, damaged
joists in the attic and then holed the bathroom ceiling before bouncing 15
feet down the hall.

The family has a second bathroom which wasn't hit.

Mrs Seltzer said: "Aren't they supposed to dump this stuff over the ocean? I
don't think they were aiming for my toilet."

Local police and the Federal Aviation Administration are investigating the
incident.

Airliners are supposed to dump toilet waste over bodies of water.

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Do airliners actually empty the waste tanks in mid-flight or is this a malfunction of some sort? I thought it was always removed by the ground handling trucks once the plane lands....

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User currently offlineSJC-Alien From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9550 times:

........at least it landed in the right place...!!!  Big thumbs up

Alien


User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9516 times:

This isn't as bad as the time a frozen man fell out of an AA 772 somewhere on Long Island!

(Good one Alien!)
R41


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9480 times:

>>>Do airliners actually empty the waste tanks in mid-flight or is this a malfunction of some sort?

It never ceases to amaze how the "experts" in the media continue to perpetuate this idiotic myth...

You are correct, the stuff gets dumped while the aircraft is serviced on the ground. Occasionally, one of the valves involved leaks, and inflight, the "stuff" freezes, breaks off, and plummets earthward.



User currently offlineFlyn From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9342 times:

I dint know that was still aloud. I know the cruise ships use to dump there litter until a big fine . Now they burn there trash and a big burner something like 2000 degrees and then dump

User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9310 times:
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They aren't supposed to dump their waste anywhere in the sky, only on the ground when the lav changer does it. I heard about some family who had a similar thing happen to them somewhere around Atlanta. They seriously didn't know what it was and all the authorities showed up at their house. It started to melt and then they figured out what it was...


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User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9207 times:

Of course there's that ridiculous Darwin award scenario in which a a frozen spear of urine killed someone...


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User currently offlineRamper From United States of America, joined Sep 2002, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9173 times:

As a ramp agent for Trans States Airlines (aka American Connection) here in St. Louis, Missouri, one of my job functions is to perform "lavatory service" (empty the toilet!) on all of our a/c while obviously on the ground! I think it's safe to assume that any "reputable and legitimate" commercial air carrier would do the same!

User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9144 times:

Happened in Ontario a few years ago, too. Landed in the master bedroom while the couple was asleep. I could just imagine the wife being woken by the loud noise, smelling the crap, and accusing the husband of letting out a loud one... Till she sees the hole in the ceiling.

"The family has a second bathroom which wasn't hit"
What is the relevance of that statement?

Airliners are suppose to dump toilet waste over bodies of water"
Oh??? I can just hear the environmentalists screaming upon reading this (misguided) statement.

Who writes this crap? Better question - Who allows this crap to be printed?!

AW


User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9120 times:

This is Ramp Agents duty not Pilots to drop it off over water.
As a Ramp Agent I've done this countless times. Even I had little accident with USAir DC-9, while I was holding hose it loosed somehow and I've got 'golden shower'  Smile
It was in winter so it was nice and warm  Smile
Blehhh it was disguisting.

Rafal
DCA/IAD/BWI


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9097 times:

To those who are complaining about the technical inaccuracy of the article, I pose this statement/question:

Its the media reporting this...do you seriously expect them to be accurate?

its been a long time since Ive read an article from a non-aviation related source concerning aviation news or incidents that has had no technical flaws in it...this one keeps the ball rolling...

Greg



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User currently offlineSquigee From Canada, joined May 2001, 652 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9086 times:

"I don't think they were aiming for my toilet."

In other news today, US Airways has announced a new cost cutting measure. Effective Wednesday, all ground service staff will be laid off. When asked how the lavatory tanks would be emptied, CEO David Siegel remarked "my ex-wife in Long Island better be ready for a suprise." When asked later about the cryptic comment, he laughed saying "The family has a second bathroom which won't be hit."



Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9017 times:

>>>Airliners are suppose to dump toilet waste over bodies of water"

The idiocy of another of the article's "facts" just now dawns upon me....

Using their statement, what's a JFK-LAX flight supposed to do from 35,000 feet, aim for the Mississippi river? Lake Whatchamacallit? The stock pond on Uncle Fred's farm?  Big grin



User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9014 times:
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I saw this story in our local paper on Long Island. (though I cannot comment on whether or not this is copyright infringement)

But it was NOT blue ice and thus the authorities were still in question as to what the ice was.



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User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8997 times:

Guys, guys, guys! You failed to ask the important question? 1 or 2?

User currently offlineCFM-56 From Finland, joined Sep 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

I remember reading in a Airways article about lavs when in the good old days they actually dumped waste from the airplane,they had cute discreet signs saying "do not use over populated areas"  Big thumbs up
Imagine reading that on the lav door of a 777...

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User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8814 times:

Well to say they were "sh*t on" would be an understatment ....
EGFF  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41x From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4229 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8798 times:

It's a shame... they would have gotten 500 points plus bonus for getting it in the john.


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User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8679 times:

This story seems to be a load of shit.


Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!
User currently offlineLubcha132 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8673 times:

LOL Trickijedi and SJC Alien
"........at least it landed in the right place...!!!

Alien"

you beat me to it Big grin


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8663 times:

Some of the old Ford Trimotors and simular vintage aircraft had a overboad dump as you drop system.

What that means is that the Lav on the aircraft consited of a toilet seat mounted on a 9 inch wide piece of pipe that extended out the bottom of the aircraft.

You had to be pretty quick on that seat in the winter, because before you used it, you could look down the pipe and see the ground passing under you. of course all the air is blowing up the pipe too.



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User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8575 times:

You are correct, the stuff gets dumped while the aircraft is serviced on the ground. Occasionally, one of the valves involved leaks, and inflight, the "stuff" freezes, breaks off, and plummets earthward.

Very serious business having a lav leak past the dump valve. A few years ago before they came up with a successful fail-safe secondary dump valve, we periodically had to perform a mandatory test on the integrity of the dump system. This entailed hooking up special tooling to the dump tube and applying a vacuum. If the negative pressure didn't leak down, you're good to go.

A 727 actually shed #3 engine after ingesting blue ice.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8541 times:

>>>A 727 actually shed #3 engine after ingesting blue ice.

Twice actually. A National 727 in the 1970s, and an American 727 in the 1980s, both, ironically, over New Mexico..

I recall the AA one in particular. DFW-SAN, and after they told the pax an engine had failed and they were going to continue to the scheduled destination, some pax wanted to land in PHX. I remember the news footage showing just the empty mount sitting there... Weird....


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8527 times:

Talk about $hittin' bricks!  Wow!


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User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8469 times:

Did the family's bathroom have a ceiling fan? If so did the shit hit the fan? Sorry, someone had to ask.....
Mark Garfinkel


25 BR715-A1-30 : Kinda reminds me of the movie Airplane when the "shit hit the fan"
26 Post contains images FDXmech : I recall the AA one in particular. DFW-SAN, and after they told the pax an engine had failed and they were going to continue to the scheduled destinat
27 OPNLguy : >>>If I recall correctly, the crew wasn't actually aware they physically lost the engine. They did however find the engine lying in the desert. Yep, I
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