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Air Portugal A340 Diverted To Dover AFB  
User currently offlineCmsgop From United States of America, joined May 2000, 137 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2642 times:


Air Portugal A340 diverted to Dover AFB
KYW-TV Channel 3 Breaking | 9/12/2002 |



Air Portugal A340, bound for JFK in New York has been diverted to Dover AFB. Military boarding plane. Passengers removed.



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User currently offlineCmsgop From United States of America, joined May 2000, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

Anybody got news on this??? And why Dover AFB????

User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

I think, but I am not sure, that there is some law that by being on a military base etc. the authorities can bring better charges against someone if it comes to that. Its all a gray area to me, but I am sure a very solid reason or suspicion will come out.

User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

Oh brother. How about we start taking ships to the US again ?

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

why would an Air Portugal A340 coming from Europe to JFK go 100's of miles south to the DAFB, i mean its probably the biggest air force base on the east coast with very long runways.

User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

They are well equipped to handle anything and anyone and extraoridianry security too.

User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

Why didn't they go to McGuire AFB in New Jersey? It's alot closer to JFK


Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offlineCmsgop From United States of America, joined May 2000, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

All good questions... I have no clue!

User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

hey i live at dover AFB. i'll check it out see what i come up with.


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

do you guys think these diversions will be a common thing now because of security?


Go big or go home
User currently offlineBig777jet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Airline Tap - Air Portugal
Flight Number 1315
Departure City (Airport) Dover-Cheswold, DE (DOV)
Departure Time 09/12/2002 10:10 PM
Arrival City (Airport) New York, NY (JFK)
Arrival Time 09/12/2002 10:50 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:40 (planned)
Aircraft Type A343
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Planned

Airline Tap - Air Portugal
Flight Number 1315
Departure City (Airport) Lisbon, Portugal (LPPT)
Departure Time 09/12/2002 04:00 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Dover-Cheswold, DE (DOV)
Arrival Time 09/12/2002 06:16 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type A343
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived


I don't know why diverted flight to Dover AFB.

Big777jet


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16693 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

"why not McGuire AFB in New Jersey? "

Because President Bush is still in NY, and ever since 9-11 he's been flying into McGuire for security reasons. That means his aircraft (AF-1) and other support crews are still at McGuire AFB, so it's probably wise not to go there.

The next closest active AFB with a security detail would be Dover, Willow Grove NAS in PA and the Stewart airport in New Burgh NY are Guard and Reserve bases and probably aren't ready for such a diversion.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

http://cbsnewyork.com/news/AP/APTV/State/NJ/n/NJ--AirlinerDiverted-jn/news_html

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

AF1 flew into JFK on Sept 11. so did they move the plane to McGuire AFB or is it still at JFK

User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Don't know about you but when I listen to ATC in New York I have a hell of a time understanding what they are saying...... and I'm British !!

Should they get some people that speak clear english for ATC ??


User currently offlineBizJets From France, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Hmmm...

I work for Air Portugal here in the United States. I am not at work during the week, but when I get in on Saturday, I will ask Mr. Mauricio for more info.

If it was a miscommunications error, then I suspect I know who it was.

BizJets  Smile


User currently offlineI LOVE EWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 852 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Hkgspotter1, umm they New York ATCers do speak clear English at least to me!!!!!!!! New Yorkers like myself do have an accent. It may take a while to get used to it. The ATC people in New York do slow down in their communications though when it comes to International Flights and are very clear, well it seems to me. Our New York Accent can be tough to understand, but when I am in say Texas I have a hard time understanding them  Smile

And BizJets, what do you do for Air Portugal at EWR and welcome to Airliners.net


User currently offlineBizJets From France, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Thanks for the warm welcome but I have been here for YEARS! I just never posted. Big grin

I work for them at their offices.

I have a strong feeling I know who the captain was. We have one that NO ONE can understand, be it English or Portuguese.  Yeah sure

BizJets  Big grin


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

NYC ATC is excellent, approach, ground, everything. They speak very well, slowly, clearly, and without accents. Just by listening to them on air band I can tell you that. They really make efforts to be understood. If you want to take a listen, there is a site on the net the webcasts JFK arrival & departure, quite often it is full though. I dont know the website address though.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Biz Jet, sounds like you were correct; heres an excerpt from a article on Reuters.com:

"In the other diversion, a federal transport department spokeswoman said Air Portugal Flight 1315 from Lisbon was ordered to fly to Dover, Delaware because of an apparent miscommunication between the pilots and air traffic controllers."

What an idiot!




America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

Any updates from this incident?


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineBizJets From France, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

Here's the lastest info that I have:

http://www.tsf.pt/online/vida/interior.asp?id_artigo=TSF94113

Avião da TAP regressa a Nova Iorque
Um avião da TAP foi desviado, na quinta-feira à noite, para uma base militar norte-americana, em Delaware, estando já de regresso ao aeroporto JFK de Nova Iorque. O motivo do desvio deveu-se a um mal-entendido com a torre de controlo.

06:51
13 de Setembro 02


Um avião da TAP foi desviado pelas autoridades norte-americanas para a base militar de Dover, Delaware, tendo já regressado ao destino original, o aeroporto JFK, em Nova Iorque.

Segundo responsáveis norte-americanos confirmaram à TSF, o aparelho foi desviado devido a um mal-entendido, que levou a torre de controlo a pedir ao comando aéreo dos Estados Unidos para que o aparelho fosse escoltado para Delaware, por dois caças F-16.

O porta-voz da base de Dover, o major Andersson, explicou que «ao que parece houve um erro de comunicação, um pequeno mal-entendido entre o piloto e o nosso controlo de tráfego aéro dos Estados Unidos. Nestes casos são dadas ordens ao piloto para que aterre no aeroporto mais próximo, o que aconteceu às 18:25 [23:25 em Lisboa])

O procedimento usado foi o normal, tendo o piloto do Airbus A-340, com cerca de 235 pessoas, entre passageiros e tripulação, recebido a ordem de alteração de rota quando estava já perto do aeroporto.

Na base de Dover, o avião foi inspeccionado por agentes da Agência de Segurança nos Transportes, criada depois do 11 de Setembro, e os passageiros foram retirados do aparelho, tendo ficado num edifício da base por cerca de seis horas.

A base ofereceu-se depois para reabastecer o avião da TAP e para colocar a bordo refeições quentes para os passageiros que ficaram retidos uma boa parte da noite.




MY TRANSLATION:

TAP Air Portugal Aircraft Returns to New York
A TAP aircraft was diverted, on Thursday night, to an American military base in Delaware, having since return to JFK airport in New York. The reason for the diversion was a misunderstanding between the pilot and the control tower.

According to American authorities, who have confirmed this information to TSF, the aircraft was diverted because of a misunderstanding which led to the ATC tower to request US Air Force assistance in escorting the aircraft to Delware with two F16's.

The spokesman for the Dover base, Major Anderson, explained that the "there seemed to be an error in communication, a small misunderstanding between our pilot and US ATC. In this cases, the airplane is asked to land at the nearest airport, with it did at 18:25 [ 23:25 in Lisbon]"


The procedures used were the normal ones, with the pilot of the Airbus A340, with about 235 people, including passengers and crew, receive the alteration of the route already close to the airport.

At the Dover base, the aircraft was inspecting by the TSA, created after the 11th of September, and the passengers were removed and transported to a building at the base where they waited 6 hours. (That's a lie, they were only there for three).


The base then offered to refuel the TAP plane and place warm meals on board for the passengers who had spent most of their night at the base.






http://www.tsf.pt/online/vida/interior.asp?id_artigo=TSF94132

TAP aceita explicações norte-americanas

A Transportadora Aérea Portuguesa já adiantou que aceita as explicações das autoridades norte-americanas para o desvio de um avião, que fazia a ligação Lisboa-Nova Iorque, para uma base militar, em Dover.

Mesmo tendo-se apurado ser um mal-entendido a estar na origem do desvio, o avião da TAP foi revistado por agentes da Agência para a Segurança nos Transportes, criada depois do 11 de Setembro, e os mais de 200 passageiros foram sujeitos a um breve interrogatório.

As autoridades aéreas também confirmaram à TSF ter-se tratado de um mal-entendido entre os controladores aéreos e o piloto português, que não terá seguido imediatamente as instruções dadas pela torre, que implicavam uma alteração nas práticas normais de voo, devido às restrições sobre o espaço aéreo nova-iorquino.

O Airbus A-340 da TAP esteve retido por mais de seis horas na base militar de Dover, no Estado de Delaware, a cerca de 250 quilómetros de Nova Iorque. Depois da revista e interrogatório aos passageiros, colocados num edifício da base, com alimentos e bebidas à disposição, o avião regressou ao aeroporto JFK, o destino original.

Há que entender os norte-americanos

Por outro lado, a TAP informou ir investigar o caso, mas António Monteiro, porta-voz da empresa, disse à TSF que há que entender as preocupações dos norte-americanos.

«É evidente que iremos apurar exactamente se há justeza nessa crítica ou não, mas pensamos que tudo deve ser visto à luz dos tempos actuais e apesar de tudo, tudo se seguiu com alguma normalidade».

«O que se passou depois do avião estar na base aérea foi conforme os procedimentos normais em situações destas. Houve um primeiro momento com um sentimento de dúvida, mas a viagem já acabou e acabou bem», concluiu o porta-voz.





MY TRANSLATION:

TAP Accepts North American Explanations

The Portuguese airline has already stated and accepted the explanation given by North American authorites reguarding a diversion of a plane, making the Lisbon-New York route, to a military base in Dover.

Even though it was realized that it was a misunderstanding that led to the diversion, the TAP plane was checked by TSA agents, created after Sept. 11 and the passengers were briefly interrogated.

The authorities also confirmed to TSF that it was a misunderstanding beteen air traffic controllers and the portuguese pilot, who hand not followed instructions given by the tower, reguarding an alteration of normal landing procedures because of restrictions in New York airspace.

The Airbus A340 from TAP was held at Dover Military base for over six hours (again??) in the state of delware, circa 250 KM from New York. After the security check, and interrogating of passengers, done at a building on the base with food and beverages available to all, the aircraft returned to JFK, the original destination.

On the other side, TAP informed that they would be investigating the case further, but Antonio Monteiro, the company's spokesperson, told TSF that we must understand the North American preoccupations.

"It is evident that we are goign to look into this, but we think things should be seen in light of the current times, but, even with everything, all continued with some degree of normalcy."

"What happened after the aircraft was on the ground was according to to all procedures in situations like these. There were a few moments of doubt, but the trip already ended and ended wall." concluded the spokesperson.

BizJets  Big grin


User currently offlineBizJets From France, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

Oh, and the misunderstanding was as follows.

The TAP A340 was trailing and Alitalia jet. Because AF1 was on the airport grounds and because it was Sept. 12, different landing procedures were in effect. The Alitalia jet was having difficulty communicating with the tower and when the TP plane came in and also was having dificulties received orders, it just created mass confusion so the aircraft was diverted to Dover.

The reason they chose Dover was because that was the orignal diversion airport in the flight plan.

And that information is from the source. Big grin

BizJets  Big grin


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

BizJets, thanks for the info! Seems like the whole situation could have been handled much better than it was, but at least everything is fine now.

Was it in fact that pilot you were thinking of?



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineCmsgop From United States of America, joined May 2000, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

All of you are Top Notch!!!!!! Thanks for the Info,cmsgop

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