717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2016 posts, RR: 14 Posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 668 times:
As Boeing sees Latin America as one of the most important places for the 717 I am wondering when we will see the first operator there, and which airline it could be?
What do you think?
Delta_fan From Mexico, joined Jul 2001, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 617 times:
I think it will be either AM or 6A , their fleets off DC-9 and 727 / 737-200 are not getting any younger and with MX renewing its fleet pax will soon go for the airline with the newest A/C
717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2016 posts, RR: 14 Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 564 times:
I don't think it will be AM after they choosed the 737-700 as a DC-9 replacement. Aviacsa could work. I was also thinking at Aerocalifornia, Aeropostal, Aserca, Avianca, Inter Colombia.....but money could be a problem for them.
Aio86 From United States, joined Sep 2000, 921 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 474 times:
I doubt that we'd see it in either Chile or Brazil.
Lan Chile has already begun replacing its older 737s with new planes from the airbus 320 family.
TAM, which has a huge fleet of F-100s is also aquiring new A319s and A320s. Varig is getting new 737s in its fleet. Trans Brazil and VASP have some old 737s but I don't think they have any money to purchase new ones. Although I suppose that they could, theoretically aquire 717s.
Pluna of Uruguay has some 737-200s, but I think they are in okay condition. They also usually fly the same aircraft as their owner Varig so they wouldn't get the 717 unless Varig did.
Aerolineas Argentinas has an aging fleet of 737s and MD-80s. I don't think they're considering replacing them yet. I think they're looking for cash first.
Another airline to possibly look at is TAME from Ecuador. They have F-28s and 727s. These planes do a lot of short hop flights, going from a hub of Guayaquil or Quito to another city, making a quick turn around and comming back. It seems like it was for these types of flights that the 717 was created, for making short one hour flights, many times a day. Ecuador isn't very big, about the size of the state of Nevada, so none of the domestic flights (besides maybe to the Galapagos) are more than an hour. Seems like a perfect match.
717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2016 posts, RR: 14 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 21 hours ago) and read 430 times:
Thanks aio86
Your statement seems to be logical. The prime markets for Boeing and the 717 must be countries like Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela and of course Mexico.
RJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1897 posts, RR: 17 Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 400 times:
In Chile exist zero posibilities to introduce the Boeing 717, because Lan Chile will replace its Boeing 737-200Adv with new A320 and A319. And the new carrier Sky Airline has chosen the Boeing 737-200 Adv. for start its operations. Also exist a few regional carriers like Aerovías DAP and LASSA which uses regional planes and if they want a replacement of its fleet the best decision would be a regional aircraft like the CRJ-200/CRJ-700/CRJ-900 or the ERJ-135/ ERJ-145/ERJ-170/ ERJ-190.
In Peru operates a lot of older aircrafts. Only Lan Peru and TACA Peru operates a modern fleet. Lan Peru operates Airbus A320-200 and Boeing 767-300ER and TACA Peru flies with A319-100 and A320-200. Aero Continente uses an older fleet formed by Boeing 727-100, Boeing 737-200Adv. and has only two modern Boeing 767-200ER. Also Aero Continente probably will replace its 737s and 727s with Boeing 737-300 but the company has not comunicate a a decision of fleet replacement.
Venezuela and Colombia probably would be a good place to introduce the 717 specially for Aserca, Aerorepublica, Intercontinental. But the bad financial situation of those company difficult the introduction of new aircrafts.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 56 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 377 times:
I've doubt seeing the 717 in Mexico unfortunetly .
Aeromexico as you said all ready choose 737-700 and they also want the 737-800, replacement for Dc9s will be the MD-87 (due to seat capacity) they got 15 Dc9s, 11 MD87s all ready and they are expecting 4 more... Some MD80s series 81 (10) and 82 (12) will start leaving AM's fleet in fact 1 MD81 is gone, and 1 more is about to be leaving by October so there will be a total of 8. MD82s and 88s still be flying for AM.. so 737s NG will be replace for MD80s. Probably when the time arrived to see MD87s leaving AM fleet the 717 can be a good choice, I estimate 10 years... .
Mexicana no way.. they are going with Airbus. AeroCalifornia Dc9-15s (6), Dc9-32s (14) probably will be replaced with MD81 or MD87. Aviacsa the Dc9s are being replaced with 737-200s, probably 727-200s will also be replaced also with 737-200s.
Probably new-startu up airlines like VuelaMex will get 717s.
ghost77
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717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2016 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 351 times:
But what about Aerocaribe, they have recently added 8 DC-9-32....perhaps they are interested at the 717. And also some carribean airlines could be interested....
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 56 Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 303 times:
Oh, yes almost forgot!
AeroCaribe, this far they got 8 Dc9s. And probably they will get more.. but guess what? The 12 MXs Fokkers are going to be for them. Good for me I will see for more years the F100, but too bad I won't see a new 717 for any mexican airline. I repeat only if a new airline like VuelaMex come up with the idea of getting 717s but I don't think that will happen again.
I think Azteca will be a Boeing costumer, wouldn't be a bad idea if they introduce the 717, also the 757 for routes with high demmand.
ghost77
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Cx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 541 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 286 times:
I think Ghost is right: no 717s in Mexico at least for some years. Aeromexico has already decided for 737s, and unless the unions present a problem, they should start receiving them soon. Some MD80s will stay (mainly the -87s and -88s) and some will go. As for Mexicana, it seems all airbus (except for the 757s) since it seems the F100s are leaving.
As for the other Airlines, the 717 would probably work great for Aerocalifornia and maybe Aviacsa on some routes, but where is the money going to come from? They can barely get old DC-9s, 727s and 737-200s.
By the way, when are the F100s leaving the fleet Ghost? I will sure miss them. I fly on them a lot, mainly on MEX-MTY-MEX sectors, and although they are a weird aircraft on first impression, they have grown on me and I like flying on them a lot. It is basically a big regional jet. I know they are staying at Aerocaribe, but I really never fly on Aerocaribe so I doubt I'll be flying on F100s when they are transferred. The good side of this is that Mexicana will probably start sending A319s to MTY and I can't wait to fly on them!
Mt99 From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 3981 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 227 times:
Central American Airlines (Airline), Grupo Taca is practically an all Airbus operator (apart from regional props) all aircraft are now practicaly brand new too, and as for Central American Airlines thats as far as it goes.
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