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F/A: "We've Been Cleared For Landing"  
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 12
Posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

I've noticed that whenever I fly, about 15 minutes before landing, a flight attendant will usually make an announcement like "Ladies and Gentlemen, we have been cleared for landing, please bring all seatbacks and traytables to their upright and locked position and stow away your carryon luggage." Why do flight attendants say "we have been cleared for landing" when no tower will clear you for landing that far out, and in fact the aircraft is still talking to Center or Approach Control? Usually a landing clearance is recieved approximately 3 to 10 miles out, and I find it especially funny when I hear this announcement, and know full well that the tower is closed and can't possibly "clear us to land". Ok, maybe I'm being nitpicky here, but I prefer when they more accurately say "Ladies and gentlemen, in preparation for landing....bla bla bla."


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User currently offlineFly_emirates From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2000, 1046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

on Emirates airlines i would say "Ladies and gentlemen, we are landing in Twenty minuites", or i would say " We have started descending as we are landing in Dubai international airport in twenty minuites, please return your seats to their upright positions and yada yada yada"

User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1100 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

I agree... I think it's ridiculous for the F/A to say "we've been cleared to land at Montreal", when we're still at 10,000 ft, and on approach control/arrival frq. I guess it is their protocol whenever the chimes sound, the F/A announces that stupid remark. I noticed that Comair/Delta Connection does it a lot. They should say, "we're on final approach".


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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5020 times:

The average passenger doesn't know the difference. The passenger who does knows enough to not be confused by it. Its just an easy way to convey to the general public that the final porition/approach/descent/landing (whatever you choose to call it) segment of the flight has begun.

User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

Some F/A's at AC will say "we have started our final descent into ___", others will say "we have started our descent into___" but I've never heard " cleared for landing", that's just plain weird....

... what I have learned in this day and age where some frequent flyers fly more on an airline than flight crews themselves, and so many passengers are actually well informed about flying, it is to everyone's advantage to "skip the bullshit" when explaining or announcing something on the PA during an announcement. I'd say 1 out of 10 pax will know you're milkin'em.

My 2 devaluated canadian cents...

Grégoire


User currently offlineGroobster From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

Is this an American thing?

The norm on European and Asian carriers (from my experience) is that they say something along the lines of:

"ladies & gentlemen we have begun our descent to [insert name here] airport, please ensure that your seat is in the upright position, trays are stowed away, return to your seat, switch off electrical devices blah blah blah"



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User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

I have heard them say that we were cleared for landing on Northwest once. I just kind of smiled to myself.  Smile


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User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Those announcements are airline specific. They are determined by the airline, although many F/A's divert from "the book" and choose to do their "own thing". Nothing to do with nationality or contin..... contni.... uh....continentality!!?

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

I love it when the aircraft is under 10000 AGL or so and they say "Ladies and Gentlemen, we have begun our initial descent into XXX..." thats the norm for US F/A announcements...it pisses the heck out of me, one can usually feel the slight weightlessness feeling as the aircraft leaves cruise on the real initial descent, and then 20 minutes later that announcement gets made...

Greg



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User currently offlineDragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4682 times:

I've also heard "we are now on final approach". Those of us who fly, know that final approach is when you are aligned with the runway before landing. I've had them say this and then we do all this turning about, which means we were definately not on final approach. I know that many airlines do the straight in approach, but that still does not make it final approach.

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User currently offlineAY-MD11 From Finland, joined Feb 2001, 472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

in Finnair they always say something like this: "ladies and gentleman we have started our landing preparations and then the usual blaa blaa..."



regards,
AY-MD11


User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

Groobster, spot on ..... that's what they say here in the Uk and most of Europe i believe.
EGFF



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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

[rant = on]

Oh get over yourselves, some of you.

Most passengers are on board an aircraft to reach a destination, not to get a lesson in air traffic control. It's the cabin crew's job to reassure the people on the flight that things are going smoothly and to communicate that fact in plain, simple language that passengers will understand. Is that concept so hard to accept?

If you want to know why spotters seem to attract a reputation for being anal geeks, then you only have to look at this thread  Insane

[rant = off]


User currently offlineSkyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4434 times:

Years ago most companies stopped saying, "We are on final approach for ____" because too many people kind of panicked at hearing the word "final". Now most say something like, "We have been cleared to land at _____".

User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Northwest makes the announcement about beging the descent and then there is a double chime about 5 minutes before landing and the fa's announce

'we've been cleared for landing into Detroit please ensure your seat back is upright, tray table locked in place, and seat belt securly fastened. flight attendants will be coming through the cabin to collect all remaining service items. We should be landing shortly. Thank you"

When you fly asmuch as I do you don't need the announcement, the double chime keys you in. I believe the pilots make the double chime at the time they receive their landing clearance from the tower.


User currently offlineMeechy36 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4372 times:

At American the captain makes a P.A. when we begin our descent and tells how long until we land, then about 6 minutes before landing the captain makes the "Flight Attendants, prepare for landing" P.A., what that means to me is "We(the flight attendants) have been cleared for landing and to make our final P.A's and do our last compliance checks, in first class that's when we hand the coats back also.

99% of the passengers don't care if we are on final approach, if we've been cleared to land or any of the other things that were picked apart on this thread. In 15 years of flying I have never had a pax ask me why I said we were cleared to land when we technically weren't, and if they did I would tell them to take it up with the captain.

Mike-BOS


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4312 times:

I dunno about the rest of you, but I am kinda stingy with technicalities and stuff like that just makes me mutter "grrrrr" to myself and you get the idea...

Greg



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User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

I have heard F/A's make correct as well as erroneous announcements. I suspect they have several scripts (eg. - "begin descent", "final approach", "cleared to land", etc.) but they may not always have the information from the flight deck and/or are too busy to double-check the situation. So they say the wrong script. No big deal.

From the posts above, the consensus seems to be that European and Asian F/A's are just smarter than US F/A's. That's what every thread ultimately leads to isn't it?

Pete  Smile


User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

Yes, it's quite annoying for an F/A to assume that.
Last year sometime, I was on a flight to LGA on ATA and the F/A? did just that. He said "We are now clear to land" and it made me wonder how he knew that so far ahead in advanced. Consequently, we ended up circling around for another half an hour or so due to high winds in the NY area. I'm sure the F/A who said that felt like an idiot by assuming that we were cleared to land when in fact we were about to enter a holding pattern. People looked at him funny after that on the way out.
Now, if the pilots specifically told the head F/A then that's a different story because then the information related to the passengers by the F/A would then be accurate.



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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

Most passengers are on board an aircraft to reach a destination, not to get a lesson in air traffic control. It's the cabin crew's job to reassure the people on the flight that things are going smoothly and to communicate that fact in plain, simple language that passengers will understand. Is that concept so hard to accept?

Backfire,

My point exactly. Since most passengers aren't onboard for a lesson in air traffic control, then why bother stating "we've been cleared to land"? They might as well say "The landing gear has been extended" or some other ridiculous B.S.



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User currently offlineBraniff727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4047 times:

Umm, because that's the airlines' policy. As mentioned above, at NW when the double chime is made by the flight deck, the lead FA makes the announcement. It's written in the manual that way. They do not assume, make it up or anything other than recite what they are told to. They are doing their job.

If it bothers anyone that much, write a letter.



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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4029 times:

On Delta, some flight attendants word it that way, while the majority of them usually use the "In preparation for landing version". I'm not sure which one is written in the manual, but I think the "In preparation for landing version" sounds more professional; not that my two cents really matter, I just thought I'd point out something that some F/As do that I find silly. My theory is that if they're going to say something like "we've been cleared for landing", then they should be correct. Just cut the fluff and say what's necessary:

Ladies and gentlemen, to prepare for landing, please...bla bla bla



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User currently offlineRootsgirl From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 530 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

I know when Capt turns seat belt sign on and calls me to advise we are on final descent. I make the announcement then, but I don't say " we have been cleared for landing".

I do say " Ladies and Gentlemen, the captain has illuminated the fasten seat belt sign as we are on our final approach into the ________airport. In preparation for landing please ensure blah blah blah.

Just as wheels go down Capt comes on PA and says " Flight Attendants Please Be Seated For Landing"


User currently offlineDouglasDC8 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

As I have flown on Delta a couple of times recently, I have noticed that their flight attendants have used the "cleared to land" phrase. I have also noticed that the Delta flight attendants make announcements when the seat belt sign is illuminated. On United, the first officer makes an announcement when the seat belt light goes on and the flight attendants make the final cabin prep announcement after the flight deck says "flight attendants, prepare for landing."

Just a bit of history-in the "old" days, on United, the flight deck turned off the "No Smoking" light after take off to let the flight attendants know it was safe to get out of their jump seats. The sign was the illuminated when it was time for the flight attendants to do their final cabin checks.


User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

On one flight, a few years back ( I canna remeber where I was going..), the flight was pretty empty.. I think it may have been CLE-TPA.. but the F/A's had it EASY.. I think it may have been a dc-9 or whatever, and there were only 10 pax in coach, and maybe 2 in first.. so she must've found out who had flown before and stuff, (As I was asked), and decided to have some fun..

"Ok everyone, we're decending into Tampa, you know the drill".. Everyone CRACKED UP!!

It seemed to be mostly business people..

Chris



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25 Jhooper : Ok; now I'm broadening the topic to include other "strange" announcements made by a F/A (no intention to bash flight attendants). I was on a Skywest f
26 Deltaflyertoo : I have noticed this only exclusively on Delta, but occasionally on the others. But enough on Delta, I suspect it is written in the Delta manuals. I fi
27 Jhooper : Deltaflyertoo, I like your answer. It certainly creates a "dramatic" feeling. WOW! We've been CLEARED TO LAND!!!
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