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United Airlines Applies For Daily LAX-DCA Service  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

United is trying to get National Airline's unused DCA slot to start up a daily LAX-DCA flight.

Here's the full story:
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020918/182479_1.html

Regards


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
28 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

WOW!!! This is really good as for United want nonstop from LAX-DCA flight by first-ever as for long transcontinental flight. This is really business people were go to Washingtion, D.C as for itself. And I think will be easier to the connection flight on the transpacific flight into the south or east flight. Well, see if they are made decide if they are made of DOT is approved to letting go into DCA flight. Well, last time were got remembered as for TWA want award nonstop from DCA-LAX, right? Well, later!!

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

first, are 757's allowed at DCA yet? I thought one of the reason's National backed out of its slots was because they were waiting so long for 757's to be allowed back at the airport. Second, UA is not the only carrier going after these slots, i believe America West is as well for a flt to Las Vegas. It should be interesting to see if any other airlines join in and who finally gets awarded the slots.

User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

Cool! If United is allowed to do LAX-DCA nonstop,
I'm sure they will do very well on this route.
Hope they're approved to start service ASAP!  Smile
Northwest Airlines currently has at least 2 daily
DCA-MSP flights using Boeing 757s, so aircraft restriction
shouldn't be an issue.

Better yet, let JetBlue fly LGB-DCA nonstop. (wishful thinking)  Smile


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

Well, I think this is mostly yes will goes back into DCA by B757 again.

User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

i bet they could use an A320? that would be a good plane for that.


just my opinion.



ual 777 contraIL


User currently offlineSjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Well, I think this would probably shift a flight away from the busy LAX-IAD corridor. It would be a good place to put to the P2P passengers for united, instead of using up space likely to be used by passengers connecting.

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5008 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

Anyone but UA or US should get LAX-DCA. UA dominates LAX-IAD and the US/UA combination will only increase the total LA-DC dominance. Why not F9 for a second DEN-DCA flight?


Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

I still say JetBlue, DCA-LGB nonstop!  Big grin

User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

jetblue who? they arent even players. Big thumbs up

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4488 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

JetBlue who? The airline that's making profits this year, unlike United, and which offers low fares instead of trying to prop up an untenable cost structure.  Big grin Still, I doubt B6 would go after DCA-LGB because it would cannibalize their flights at IAD. It's unlikely that B6 would abandon IAD for DCA because the transcon slots at DCA are so few. JetBlue, I think, wants to grow transcons in the DC area, and Dulles allows them to do that.

I agree, anyone but US or UA should get the DCA transcon slots. Too bad America West wouldn't run DCA-LAX; they'd offer lower fares and stimulate traffic on a valuable business route.

Jim


User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

Last week, US Airways applied to use the National route authorities on a LAS-DCA route.... i'd imagine US would want to switch that to LAX, however....

eric


User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

As a side note on 757 use.

Just booked a Novemeber trip on Northwest and they are operating at least 2 flights DCA-DTW with the 757-200.


User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

DCA-ROC,
I would be willing to bet if UNITED or AMERICAN operated a small schedule as jetblue we to would make profits also. Innocent

ual 777 contrail


User currently offlineUnited777ORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

United needs to startout with the A319 before they go to the B757 on the DCA-LAX route. UAL should be the winner of the slot(s).

United777ORD


User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

The 757 is the perfect aircraft for this route, and DCA's relatively short 6,870 foot main runway.

User currently offlineWilax From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 465 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

If ever there was a perfect route for an A321. I could also envision an all business class flight much like the LH DUS-EWR BBJ; some sort of a US-transcon-Concorde flight. If this is such a business-traveler's-delight, why not DCA-SNA or DCA-BUR--both of which would be firsts.

User currently offlineONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

Give AS or F9 another beyond parameter slot (HP has 3!) and at least try to give FL a few regular slots. United already has hourly flights to ORD and they can connect someone just about anywhere in their system from there. AS and F9 would never be able to reach their hub without a beyond perimeter slot. Besides... UA does have a hub just 20 min away.


John,
SNA's runway is only 5,700 feet. The a 757 would take a substantial weight restriction. Ever wonder why no one operates SNA-JFK... (ok I know CO flies SNA-EWR, but that's on 73Gs)




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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2882 times:
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There are rumors that AS is thinking of tossing their hat in the ring, proposing DCA-LAX service using B-737-700 equipment.


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User currently offlineFrequentflier From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

Isn't there a cap on the distance of flights to and from DCA like at LGA?

User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

This is good for UA and DCA. Who else is trying for the route? I thought AA inherited the slot from TW, but I knew they weren't using it.

757's are allowed at DCA now. I don't know who is doing what with them, but I see an AA 757 from time to time.

I don't know if there is still a distance cap. Congress allowed N/S service to LAS, LAX, PHX, and SEA a while back.




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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Contrails,

America West and Frontier are both trying to get the slot. Alaska might be trying to also. I'm not 100% sure though.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2818 times:
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Contrails-

DCA has a "perimeter rule" where no carrier may have nonstop service to or from any point further than 1,250 miles away. There are certain exemptions that have been given occasionally, such as HP's PHX and LAS service.

TW once held such an exemption, allowing them to fly LAX-DCA. When TW filed for Chapter 11 and had their assets purchased by AA, the exemption (which is NOT transferable from one carrier to another) went up for grabs. It was awarded to AS, who used it to provide SEA-DCA nonstop service.

FYI, New York/LGA has a perimeter rule as well, but theirs is 1,500 miles. HP recently submitted a proposal to the DOT to allow them an exemption for PHX-LGA nonstop service. It's still pending review.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

In addition to what EA CO AS said. DEN and EGE are both exceptions to the 1,500 mile perimeter rule around LGA.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

Today's (Sept. 20) Aviation Daily is reporting that there are now 6 airlines applying for National's beyond perimeter slot. (HP, DL, F9, UA, US, and AA) Both HP and F9 has offered to use up the slot temporarily while the DOT examines the airlines applications. Both UA and AA want the slot for DCA-LAX, DL for a DCA-SLC, F9 for DCA-DEN, and for some reason both HP and US applied to get a DCA-LAS. Out of all destinations on the west coast, why would US pick LAS?


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25 Architect : "Besides... UA does have a hub just 20 min away. " I'd really like to see you get there in 20 minutes - in the afternoon when you can't use 66 because
26 ONT 737 : Architect "I'd really like to see you get there in 20 minutes - in the afternoon when you can't use 66 because you're driving yourself... Try about an
27 Republic : According to the DOT, the applicants are: US Airways said it wants the slots for Las Vegas service. America West wants them for a second daily Las Veg
28 Lowfareair : F9 should get it. HP has enough; US has nothing to connect to in Vegas; DL has hubs in DFW, ATL, and CVG, all within the perimeter rule; AA has ORD, S
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