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User currently offlineDelta737 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 516 posts, RR: 10
Posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

Well the rumor about DAL purchasing A318's is back, hot and heavy.

Anyone hear anything on the street?

I promised to eat a "crow" if DAL ever purchased an Airbus product and I'm afraid I'm looking for an appropriate wine for my meal.

Doug Taylor
jetcareers.com

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User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2540 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

I haven't heard anything over in MTC, but I'm pretty low on the food chain. The only rumors about it I've heard were from some of my pilot buddies.

User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Hey Doug...

That rumor's come and gone so many times that I've decided I'll believe it when one's parked in Delta colors outside TOC.

I can think of a ton of reasons for Delta not to buy the A318 but it's kind of hard to come up with more than a handful of reasons for it to be a good idea. My prediction is still for the 737-700.

Best regards.



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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

And, I forgot to mention, that if I am wrong after all, I'll join you in a nice meal of crow.


It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineSAS_A330-300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

I can't see DL buying any Airbus too. If they want 737-600s they just need to ask SAS about a deal. If they want 737-700s, well then ask Boeing.

Don't know about that crow meal.  Smile

Simon


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2088 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

The only way DL would own an Airbus in the next 5 to 10 years would be if they acquired an airline that currently owns them at which point I'm sure DL would try to sell them immediately. Airbus aircraft (this is not an AB vs BAC comment) just do not fit in to DL's fleet and rationalization plans. This is purely a rumor based solely on wild speculation and conjecture not on facts.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7113 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

What about the 717? It would perfectly match the demands of thinner routes to and from CVG and MCO.


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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5083 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3412 times:

I don't see Delta buying any new aircrafts in the near future given the slump in global air travel. Beside, Delta isn't likely to buy any Airbus aircraft as it doesn't fit in with their fleet plan which is dominated by Boeings.


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User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

The rumor that I have heard from friends in Atlanta, AND THIS IS STILL NOTHING BUT RUMOR, is A319's to go with the B757's for the new Delta Express. This has not been substantiated by any source, whatsoever, but the rumor has been going around at least among my friends at TechOps.

User currently offlineDutchDeltaDude From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

Delta will never buy any Airbus product, because of the reasons that have been mentioned here a hundred times before. And no, I won't eat a crow, but I will personally lick the shoes of every Airbus-fan on this forum that keeps me to this promise. But rest assured, DL and Airbus: it will never happen!

User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3333 times:
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Rumours are rumours.

Delta has a deal with Boeing stating DL only buys Boeing jets for the next 20 years! So there!




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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

Those 'exclusive' contracts Boeing made with the majors were torned-up years ago, after Airbus cried foul. But getting back to the topic...no, I can't see Delta getting the A318. It just doesn't fit with the rest of thier fleet. The 736/73G has a better chance. Airbus may be getting ready to offer DL a killer deal on lease/purchase prices, but DL has always looked at the bottom line beforehand, namely training/operating/commonality costs. Just my thoughts. Regards.


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User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

Arsenal@LHR:

Actually, that agreement was nullified by Delta and Boeing in light of anti-competitive complaints from Airbus... so while these are still rumors, that one barrier does not exist.



User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3300 times:
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That's interesting, cos i heard of these deals when they happened and still thought they were still in place.

In this case, this barrier does not exist, a major hurdle out of the way, so in reality we can never rule out the possiblity of a deal between DL and Airbus, even though the chances are slim, with Airbus giving away discounts and attractive packages.




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User currently offlineDutchDeltaDude From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Guys, it is not going to happen. Perhaps 15 years from now, but not in this decade. And I already placed a wager on that.

User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

If Delta got a really good offer on A319's, they'd be unwise to turn it down.

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

Personally, I think the A318 would not be a good move for DL because it doesnt fit in with their fleet...they get the 736 and that matches nicely with the 738...most airlines seem to try to be narrowing their fleet types down for simplification of maintenance and training, and buying the A318 just doesnt fit...now if DL was really seriously considering the A318, then I think that maybe they should ponder getting A320's to replace the 738 for fleet simplicity...just a thought...

Greg



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2894 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

People said Boeing (British) Airways would never buy Airbus

People said United would never buy Airbus

People said Northwest would always choose MD or Boeing over Airbus

People said Air France would never order the B777

Funny what people say; let's just wait and see, shall we  Smile

Regards

Shamu





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User currently offlineDutchDeltaDude From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

BlueShamu: some things will *never* happen. Remind me of my earlier statements.

User currently offlineGaruda From Indonesia, joined Nov 2000, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Oh, I have to add :

"People said that QANTAS will never buy non-Boeing airplanes.."

I agree with Shamu... just let us wait and see....  Smile

JA


User currently offlineGD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

I don't believe Delta will by Airbus. Delta is a loyal Boeing costumer, and they always will be. If Delta buys Airbus, I will be very, very upset!

-GD727



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Delta737 and DeltaSFO: While you're making your wine selections, make sure you have the crows tested for West Nile. That's a heavy topic down in these parts these days.

Tom in NO (at MSY)

PS to Doug: does our taxiway Sierra still feel like a washboard to you?  Smile It's always given us problems fixing it (high water table).



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User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1330 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Everyone that is sayine something like "DAL WILL NEVER BUY AIRBUS!!!" may want to consider that DAL is very seriously looking at Airbus and may indeed annouce an AB purchase is the very near future. Many higher ups have in DAL operations have openly stated that we are very serious looking at AB products for DAL.

Now please consider:

-DAL is disappointed with the 737-800.
-DAL is very disappointed with its relationship with Boeing.
-Fred Reid bought tons of AB when he was running Luftansa and he's the #2
guy and the heir apparent at DAL.
-Buying AB may be a politically expedient move for DAL and any competitive
moves DAL needs to make in EU countries.
-319's are abundantly available now for DAL's new low cost operation.
-318/319's have more range than any other potential airplanes. ie. more
range than the Boeings, Rjs, and the new Embrarer
-AB will make VERY FAVORABLE purchase arangements to DAL that will not
involve a big dent in DAL's available cash and may include initial training.
-DAL will secure a very favorable pilot payrate on this new airframe since the
pilot contract involves a new arbitration feature.

It's not a stretch to see AB 319's/318's on DAL's property. The decision makers have been saying right along that DAL wants a 100 seat aircraft. I'm guessing that it will be an Airbus because of the economics, polotics, and availability of an aircraft DAL wants now.




User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

MD88Captain brings up a lot of good points. I'll admit that it is hard to imagine DL buying Airbus, but it could just happen.

I think the other front runner in the 100 seater category is the EMB170/175/190. Rumors say that DL was not impressed with the 717 or the 736.

Boeing seems to be doing everything it can to p*ss off its most loyal customers. Sooner or later, it's going to come back and haunt them.


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3046 times:
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MD88Captain- You said:

-DAL is disappointed with the 737-800.
-DAL is very disappointed with its relationship with Boeing.


Please elaborate.


25 Sterne82 : My only sentence: "Never say never"...
26 TransSwede : DL_widget_head, How exactly does this article "put to rest" this rumor? Please elaborate...
27 DL Widget Head : For those who missed the quote by Leo Mullin in the above article here it is... "Mullin said aircraft will likely include the Boeing 737, the plane op
28 Cedarjet : The article doesn't really say much about what DL are going to do. If I was writing an article about Delta starting a low-cost subsidiary I'd say it w
29 FlyPNS1 : I expect that the low-fare division will use the 737. However, this article does not mention (nor have anything to do with) the plane DL might purchas
30 Post contains images Crosswind : Yes, The article says the fleet will likely include the 737. Nobody is arguing with that - the 737 is the obvious choice. However, if the quote is acc
31 Greg : Although the 'exclusivity' agreement was not ratified (well, actually ratified and then rescinded), it does have some clauses that make it expensive f
32 PHX Flyer : After all the rumors, here's a quote straight from the horse's mouth: The following is in excerpt from a Reuter's news report: >
33 Ezra : What about the possibility of Delta buying Airbus long-haul planes. It seems to me that the 330/340 family could more efficiently do the flying now s
34 TransSwede : Both DL_Widget_Head and PHX_Flyer seem to have missed the word *likely* in their quotes.
35 Cedarjet : Jesus Christ, Delta are going Airbus.
36 DL Widget Head : There are just some people who can't be convinced and will argue if the sky is blue or if the sun sets in the west etc., etc.. There is not one shred
37 Greg : With penalties, they would be the most expensive Airbus' ever purchased. In fact, Boeing would stand to make quite a profit from Delta buying Airbus--
38 Exusair : Not happy with the 737's.........There are a lot of glitches fleet wide nothing major like hydraulics, but nonetheless there are glitches. The most mi
39 Greg : If DL took delivery of 80 or so Boeings under their agreement (since 98), conservatively the penalty would exceed $M500-700. It could actually be as h
40 Jrlander : Greg: Would you please quote how you are coming up with this figure? From my memories of when the exclusive contract was nullified, there were no pena
41 LOT767-300ER : "seriously considering the A318, then I think that maybe they should ponder getting A320's to replace the 738 for fleet simplicity...just a thought...
42 FlyPNS1 : Just because DL orders Airbus planes doesn't mean they will cancel the Boeing order and get penalized. A possible Airbus order would be primarily targ
43 Papatango : With all the trouble Delta has with the MD-11's flying ns ATL__NRT maybe Delta should buy the 16 A340-300's Boeing took in trade in from Singapore. I
44 MD88Captain : Three specific points made by Fred Reid (#2 guy at DAL) in the pilot lounge in the last 2 weeks were: 1. Boeing refused to allow any aircraft deferme
45 MD88Captain : The rumors (or rumours for the British posters) have also included a hot rumour on DAL trading AB the 7-777's and 15-MD11s for 20+ 340-600's. It's ano
46 DeltaSFO : From what I've heard regarding the 737-800's teething problems, they were pretty bad the first couple of years Delta had the -800 but are now more or
47 Greg : I think MD88 hit the nail on the head with the Airtran issue. That would piss me off too... Jrlander..there was a blurb about it in AW&ST about 1998..
48 ScottysAir : Guys!!! Let's have a please take with Airbus A340-600 on Delta or keep it as for the aircraft by the B767-400, B777, B767-300/ER. And also, that need
49 DeltaSFO : The rumors (or rumours for the British posters) have also included a hot rumour on DAL trading AB the 7-777's and 15-MD11s for 20+ 340-600's. It's ano
50 Cba : Ok, the A318/A319 would make no sense. DL has tons of options on 738's to replace their fleet of MD-80's. The 737-700 would be a much wiser choice for
51 Post contains images SafetyDude : I believe Delta has a "deal" with Boeing. The only time Delta has every owned Airbus products are the A310s (two I think) while waiting for L-1011s. B
52 RJ : I think Doug got bored with the ALPA boards and decided to stir the pot over here. FLY REGIONAL JETS RJ
53 Scottb : I have to agree that Airbuses at Delta are an extremely far-fetched possibility. While anything is indeed possible, this would be a costly step away f
54 MD88Captain : The process by which DAL would gain a better pilot pay rate by introducing an AB product goes like this. The latest pilot contract states that if a ne
55 Cx340 : Delta SFO, "It more than meets the company's needs, and one of the key criteria was hot and high performance in some key Latin American markets, and h
56 Addi375 : DL should get the A340-300 and 500 to use interchangably and also the A330-200. Well, just my dreams anyhow.
57 ScottysAir : Addi375, This is really great idea as for after replace by older aircraft B767-200 to the new Airbus A330-200. This I did told you before as for the t
58 Post contains images EA CO AS : Never say never... ....but "Delta" and "Airbus" go together just like "fish" and "bicycle."
59 Wilcharl : Just for Reference: (FROM ANOTHER PAGE) I have it on good authority of the Remington Arms Company that even old crows aren’t so bad if you simply
60 Post contains images BA : Delta will buy Airbus when Great Plains Air buys Tupolev TU-154s. Hmmmmm......crow......wonder what it tastes like. Probably tastes like chicken. Many
61 Wilcharl : actually as cost consious (cheap) as FL is im surpirsed they havent looked into the 204
62 Cloudy : Wouldn't be surprised if either Delta or Northwest became the first to fly regional jets in the mainline - A318 and 737-600 are to heavy. They would g
63 Bucky707 : **Also, they may intend to give over 100 seat flying to the Commair if they can coax the pilot's union to go allong....** The pilots union would never
64 J.mo : It is McDonnell Douglas. Not McDonald. And maybe this is what Boeing needs to pull their heads out of their arses. Jeremy
65 MD88Captain : I'm hearing that DAL wants a 100 seater that can reach the West Coast from CVG. The Airbus products can without modification. The Boeing 717 can with
66 Cba : In the case that MD88Captain is describing, the 737-700/-600 would make much more sense. The 736 or 73G would be extremely easy to add to DL's fleet.
67 Rj777 : Just keep those crows in the birdcage for now and don't preheat the oven just yet! Besides, if this does become true, more than crows will be squawkin
68 GD727 : What kind of CVG-West Coast city is small enough that it can only support a 100 seater jet? Anyways, the 736 would be a better choice, since Delta alr
69 Cba : Perhaps CVG-LGB, ONT, SJC, OAK, etc...
70 Brons2 : The 73G would be a better choice than the 736, more seats, same operating costs. Adding the A32X doesn't make much sense when they already have 120+ 7
71 ScottysAir : Yeah! Let's get it them with the orders on the B737-600/700 nonstop on the west coast as from CVG-LGB, ONT, OAK, BUR. SJC, too. This is really need ge
72 Post contains images RayChuang : Frankly, if DL needs a smaller plane of around 90-100 seats, they could become a major candidate for the Embraer 190-200 to fly on mainline routes. It
73 MD88Captain : I think 2 things are against the Embraer 190 as far as DAL is concerned. It is not available right now and it lacks range. As for the 717 I know that
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