EI133 From Ireland, joined Jan 2000, 307 posts, RR: 0 Posted (14 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 866 times:
Does anybody know if there are any of these aircraft still flying.Aer Turas flew them into Dublin in the eighties and I will never forget the day EIBGO flew over the house at 1000 feet while on a training flight.I always remember the freight being loaded through the swing tail.
Shankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (14 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 789 times:
When I was a lad I remember the Transmeridian Airways CL-44's that used to operate out of my then local airport, Stansted. In particular TMA operated the 'Guppy' CL-44. Haven't seen that for a long time. I also seem to remember Tradewinds operating a CL-44 alongside their 707's. Both TMA and Tradewinds are now sadly defunct although I believe HeavyLift may have taken over TMA's equipment at the time. HeavyLift certainly still operate the big Shorts freighters, which I believe were originally based on the Britannia.
BryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 777 times:
What a great web site!
On the ramp at GSO I literally worked under the wing of N104BB. It sat there for about eight years before the Tradewinds mechanics began to restore it. It was in BAD shape... missing control surfaces, exposed wiring, no engines, and even birds living inside the wings! It took several months, but they got it going again. It flew out of GSO last fall headed for Africa.
Trident From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (14 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 774 times:
The CL-44 grew out of the licence which had been granted to Canadair to allow them to build a PISTON engined version of the Britannia, known as the Argus, for the Royal Canadian Air Force. The Argus served as an anti-submarine aircraft into the 1970's, eventually being placed by the Lockheed Aurora, a version of the P-3 Orion.
When Canadair decided to build a turboprop version as a freighter (known as the Yukon in military circles), they decided that the Rolls Royce Tyne was a more dependable engine than the Britannia's Bristol Siddeley Proteus'.
The Short Belfast utilised the wings of the Britannia mated to a new fuselage. It also used the Tyne rather than the Proteus. As far as I am aware, one Belfast remains in service (it flew over my house in Farnborough one evening last summer at about 15,000 ft). Because of production limitations at Filton, Short Brothers in Belfast also built some Britannias under a sub-contract arrangement.
Ceilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 766 times:
Yes, I together with two partners own the last two operational CL44s, currently based in Kinshasa, DRC. N104BB is now 3C-ZPO.
Actually, the Argus had nothing to do with the Britannia - but rather was a wholly new design. The CL44 was apparently originally designed to allow straight-in loading of missiles (our aircraft still have powerpoints apparently used for their coolant systems).
Unfortunately, a lack of Tyne 515s means that we will have to park these aircraft for the last time in the not too-distant future and bid them farewell.
Bikeman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 756 times:
I spent last year as the aircraft engineer responsible for getting N104 airworthy and out of Greensboro.
The Argus was developed from the Britannia, not a wholly new design, but a low-speed low-level long-endurance rework of the Britannia. Canadair evaluated a Britannia variant from Bristol, Lockheed for a Connie variant and a third contender who´s identity escapes me for the moment, for their maritime patrol aircraft, the CL28.
The CL44-6 Yukon was a combi freighter/VIP/transport developed from the CL28, with input from Bristol with their improved -300 series Britannias. The aircraft was then civilianised as the CL44-D4, given the Convair style windscreens and the aft opening tail. The Swingtail was never a military aircraft.
F-WWKH From Taiwan, joined Jun 1999, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 739 times:
I met the Guppy version sleeping at Southend the other night. By that time it was just returned from Azerbaidjan Airlines. Now seeing it flying with FIA in Africa definitely gives this bird a good global coverage!