Rai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2616 times:
You could be right, but I think it has more to do with the airport itself than anything else. I'm just listing cities that have a fairly large population, but are quite underserved in terms of air traffic.
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5793 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2543 times:
One thing that would help this discussion would be to see metro area populations compared to number of passengers (both enplaned and deplaned). For example, the Fresno MSA is 922,000 people. FAT is currently handling 1,100,000 passengers annually.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4493 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2539 times:
Rochester, New York is very underserved. It will be even more underserved when AA reduces ROC-ORD to all RJ's, due to yield, not demand, issues. Syracuse is also underserved.
Des Moines strikes me as underserved. They should have put together a travel bank and chased AirTran instead of attempting to form their own two-plane carrier. Access Air was doomed to fail from the start. AirTran would be a very good start.
TWFirst, you listed Nashville as an underserved city. BNA has a Southwest station with 84 daily flights, which is remarkable for a medium-size city. That schedule has to be close to what AA offered when they hubbed at BNA. What makes BNA underserved? I'm not trying to be inflammatory, just don't understand.
LV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2207 times:
Define underserved...because everyone keeps mentioning JAX and while I love Jacksonville as a city and would like to see more, I don't think they are underserved. In fact, I am quite surprised by how much air traffic they get.
Last time I flew into JAX it was on a 767 out of ATL, DL puts so many 767s and 757s in there alone that I think it could serve the towns needs. My 767 was turning around and going right back to ATL, plus there was another 767 sitting on one side of us headed to DFW and an MD-88 on the other side headed to CVG. Another time I flew into JAX I came in on WN and was surprised to see two other WN flights parked at the same time. AirTran is coming down from ATL with their 717s constantly. Contential had two aircraft there, a NW DC-9 and US had a 319 and F100 there. Okay, so they are underserved by UA and AA but those two lines are very weak in the southeast. Plus, they still have Midway....okay, so that doesnt really count
PROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5632 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2134 times:
What about PBI? I was there a couple of years ago and got the impression that the terminal was much too large for the amount of traffic it was handling at the time. Not sure how it is these days...
WN now brings a number of flights into PBI, so the terminal's quite a bit busier than had been the case. It's still now operating at anything close to capacity, however, which is sort of a pity because it's surely one of the most upscale-appearing terminals anywhere.
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Jcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2117 times:
The common trait among many of the cities you guys have listed are that they are relatively lower-class cities, with not too many business travelers (where airlines make all of their money). Its not like airlines havent tried service to places Fresno, Sacramento, Toledo, Daytona Beach, Melbourne, and Birmingham...the problem is that the local economies just cant support good operations there. As for saying that Jacksonville and Tampa/St. Pete are underserved...yeah, right. JAX supports very good services for its population size from DL and US. Tampa is not exactly the richest place in the world (although it does have a few corp. headquarters) and the service there is justified and they get plenty of service from DL and US, DL makes a killing on the TPA-ATL route I understand, with its 12! flights.
Just think about it...in this economy, airlines are looking for money wherever they can get it and they would already have good frequencies in place. The bottom line is that when an airline decides to operate to city X, they must consider the demographics of the area and whether or not there is a high demand for air travel. If I had to say a certain city was underserved I would have to say PDX.
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2073 times:
I was gonna say PBI too...very strange that DL can pack 767s into here, yet AA can't even fill an MD-80 to Dallas 12 months a year.
US Airways always was right at home at PBI, yet they continue to shed flights. Sad. The area north of Palm Beach, Jupiter, Stuart, Hobe Sound, is the second fastest growing population area in the country, adding tens of thousands of residents to the over 1 million already in the metro. PBI has some salad days in its' future.