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Underserved Cities In The US  
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

With the recent airline cutbacks...or for whatever reason...what are, in your opinions, the most underserved Cities for their size?

Tucson and Sacramento come to mind for me. I am sure there are others.

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User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Good topic. Here are some others that come to my mind:

Jacksonville
Kansas City
Oklahoma City
Portland
Tampa Bay area
Birmingham, Alabama
San Antonio


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Isn't Kansas City certain death for most carriers...with the exception of Southwest? It doesn't seem like any carrier can make a go of it there....

Brgds.


User currently offlineThomacf From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

Toledo
Daytona Beach
Burbank & Long Beach (LA is served well but I think these two airports should have more service to relieve LAX)


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

You could be right, but I think it has more to do with the airport itself than anything else. I'm just listing cities that have a fairly large population, but are quite underserved in terms of air traffic.

I'll also add Milwaukee.


User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Toledo is right up there...

joe


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

New Orleans
Nashville
Indianapolis



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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Melbourne, FL (MLB), Daytona Beach, FL (DAB), Tallahasse, FL (TLH), to name a few in the sunshine state.

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5793 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Fresno (FAT)

One thing that would help this discussion would be to see metro area populations compared to number of passengers (both enplaned and deplaned). For example, the Fresno MSA is 922,000 people. FAT is currently handling 1,100,000 passengers annually.



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User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

I'd add Tulsa and Little Rock. You can go most anywere from those cities, but it almost always involves a connection, and it's usually one in a direction other than the one you're wanting to go.




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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4493 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Rochester, New York is very underserved. It will be even more underserved when AA reduces ROC-ORD to all RJ's, due to yield, not demand, issues. Syracuse is also underserved.

Des Moines strikes me as underserved. They should have put together a travel bank and chased AirTran instead of attempting to form their own two-plane carrier. Access Air was doomed to fail from the start. AirTran would be a very good start.

TWFirst, you listed Nashville as an underserved city. BNA has a Southwest station with 84 daily flights, which is remarkable for a medium-size city. That schedule has to be close to what AA offered when they hubbed at BNA. What makes BNA underserved? I'm not trying to be inflammatory, just don't understand.

Jim


User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1379 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

San Antonio,Austin and Kansas City.


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User currently offlineScott4AA From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Definately TUL and OKC.


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User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

BOS needs a nonstop to Japan, and maybe another flight to Ireland but there's no room right now!

R41


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

I second the suggestion of Fresno.

Also, Ontario, considering its facilities and gargantuan population base surrounding it for dozens of miles in every direction, still has less than 100 jet departures per day.

ONT has the potential to be right up there with SJC or SAN.


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6208 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Im sure Daytona can suppoer flights to cities other than ATL.
Jacksonville, Tampa.
Chepos



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

I would have to say the following:

Colorado Springs (COS)
Fresno (FAT)
San Antonio (SAT)

I don't think Austin (AUS) is underserved at all. It's got plenty of service and keeps getting more.

Regards



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User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2374 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

What about PBI? I was there a couple of years ago and got the impression that the terminal was much too large for the amount of traffic it was handling at the time. Not sure how it is these days...

PW100



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

Define underserved...because everyone keeps mentioning JAX and while I love Jacksonville as a city and would like to see more, I don't think they are underserved. In fact, I am quite surprised by how much air traffic they get.
Last time I flew into JAX it was on a 767 out of ATL, DL puts so many 767s and 757s in there alone that I think it could serve the towns needs. My 767 was turning around and going right back to ATL, plus there was another 767 sitting on one side of us headed to DFW and an MD-88 on the other side headed to CVG. Another time I flew into JAX I came in on WN and was surprised to see two other WN flights parked at the same time. AirTran is coming down from ATL with their 717s constantly. Contential had two aircraft there, a NW DC-9 and US had a 319 and F100 there. Okay, so they are underserved by UA and AA but those two lines are very weak in the southeast. Plus, they still have Midway....okay, so that doesnt really count


User currently offlineJcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Pensacola FL is definately underserved.. i mean, no 747's?!?! that's underserved  Smile

User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

Even with AirTran and Frontier-Wichita, Kansas. It seems like nearly every flight here is a CRJ.


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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5632 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

What about PBI? I was there a couple of years ago and got the impression that the terminal was much too large for the amount of traffic it was handling at the time. Not sure how it is these days...

WN now brings a number of flights into PBI, so the terminal's quite a bit busier than had been the case. It's still now operating at anything close to capacity, however, which is sort of a pity because it's surely one of the most upscale-appearing terminals anywhere.



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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

The common trait among many of the cities you guys have listed are that they are relatively lower-class cities, with not too many business travelers (where airlines make all of their money). Its not like airlines havent tried service to places Fresno, Sacramento, Toledo, Daytona Beach, Melbourne, and Birmingham...the problem is that the local economies just cant support good operations there. As for saying that Jacksonville and Tampa/St. Pete are underserved...yeah, right. JAX supports very good services for its population size from DL and US. Tampa is not exactly the richest place in the world (although it does have a few corp. headquarters) and the service there is justified and they get plenty of service from DL and US, DL makes a killing on the TPA-ATL route I understand, with its 12! flights.

Just think about it...in this economy, airlines are looking for money wherever they can get it and they would already have good frequencies in place. The bottom line is that when an airline decides to operate to city X, they must consider the demographics of the area and whether or not there is a high demand for air travel. If I had to say a certain city was underserved I would have to say PDX.



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User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

I was gonna say PBI too...very strange that DL can pack 767s into here, yet AA can't even fill an MD-80 to Dallas 12 months a year.

US Airways always was right at home at PBI, yet they continue to shed flights. Sad. The area north of Palm Beach, Jupiter, Stuart, Hobe Sound, is the second fastest growing population area in the country, adding tens of thousands of residents to the over 1 million already in the metro. PBI has some salad days in its' future.



User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

MKE....its pretty bad out there.

ORD is underserved  Smile errr


25 Yyz717 : There are no underserved cities. All cities are served to the degree to which the airlines feel they can make a profit whether now or in the near futu
26 AA-STL : MSY is really underserved, so is SAT
27 FATFlyer : Yyz717, I have to disagree. All cities are served to the degree to which the airlines feel they can maximize their profit based on their cost structur
28 Cerulean : the Southwest Effect when WN begins service in a city Exactly. That blows a big hole in YYZ717's theory, which, if true, would mean that the Southwest
29 STT757 : Atlantic City NJ, Westchester (HPN), New Haven CT, Providence RI, Ithaca/Corning, Binghamton NY.
30 Post contains images _Northwest_ : Charlotte where I live is doing good.. (KCLT) About 10-15 years ago when someone would ask me where I live and I would say just outside of Charlotte t
31 FATFlyer : Cerulean, Don't forget that you also have to consider the cost structure for each airline. In your example you show the revenue gain but not costs. Th
32 PW100 : PROSA Thanks for the update! Of course PBI also sees tons of biz jets: Gulfstreams, Global Express, Falcons, Citations, Learjets etc! PW100
33 Haveric : I would have to say of major US cities, PHL is underserved. It is the 4th (or 5th) largest metro area, and the 4th or 5th largest US city. It is also
34 Ouboy79 : Jcs17 said: >>The common trait among many of the cities you guys have listed are that they are relatively lower-class cities, with not too many busine
35 GD727 : PVD is not underserved, the terminal can actually get pretty crowded at times. Some underserved airports in New England include: Worcester Regional Br
36 Tpowaleny : I agree with GD727 about Tweed New Haven.. This airport used to be served by three different airlines. United actually used to have 737 service from O
37 AirOne : Hey- I feel that CMH is underserved, I may be a bit biased though since I am from the region, but still. I think it it the most underserved airport th
38 Flyer62 : PWM-Portland,Maine is underserved.with no non-stop service to Orlando fla and no low cost carriers! Just high priced airlines
39 Dragogoalie : I wouldent say that Grand Forks Nd is underserved, but NWA is the only airline that flies here, which results in high ticket prices. I have flown to a
40 Chazzerguy : _Northwest_ I would say CLT would be a candidate for the most OVERSERVED!
41 PROSA : Another reason PHL has less traffic is it's proximity to NYC. Most US airports have a significant chunk of their traffic devoted to the multiple metro
42 Haveric : PROSA -- thanks for clarifying my point
43 Jcs17 : Ouboy- I used to live in Atlanta, and I have been to Birmingham a few times and have also flown out of BHM on WN. I do concur that there is a big bank
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