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I Feel Bad For The Dash-8  
User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

I always watch Dash 8 departures on windy days at LGA.

Ever notice how they fight the wind? I feel bad for them.

The second they liftoff, they immediatley start sliding sideways, and they always take a different departure course than the other palnes because they are forced to turn into the pushing wind.

I've seen more Dash 8 go around due to wind than any other plane. I've also never seen a plane at LGA have as much frequent trouble with the wind.

Anyone else feel bad?

Pity the Dash.


Phil Derner Jr.
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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3240 times:
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I've flown dozens of trips in Dash 8s -- in good weather and bad, including lots of wind, snow, rain, and other mayhem. In my experience, they get in and out when the jets can't even think about it. I don't know how they stack up against other turbo-props, like the ATRs, but I'd be surprised if their performance is a problem.

High-wing airplanes are tricker to handle in cross-winds -- but this isn't a 172. There are a lot of Dash 8s flying all over the world, and if they had a problem with wind, I doubt they would have sold quite so many.



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User currently offlineAS737900 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

According to some people that were in my aviation classes and work at ERA, the Dash-8 is able to get into places like Kodiak in high winds and other types of bad weather when other larger aircraft can not.

User currently offlineBWIrwy4 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

My guess is with the wide footprint of the landing gear, the Dash-8 can handle much worse landing than the ATR can.

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

LOL...they are not forced to turn into the wind, they are just slow and so they are turnned away from the departures of the faster jet aircraft...the Dash can put up with much worse conditions then more other airplanes, nothing to feel sorry for, they are great!


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User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Yep, the Dash is a nimble and powerful little sucker. I remember the feeling of acceleration on takeoff being stronger on the Dash than on most jets I've flown.

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

while the landing gear is a bit tougher, that's NOT why it can land almost anywhere :P

The plane has some pretty powerful engines, add in the high-lift wing, and of course the monster tail  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

The monster tail is one reason the plane gets knocked around so much... but it can also fly slower and lower than most planes  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

-n


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3057 times:

I remember flying a few years ago from PHL-DCA and the pilot said that it was a little windy in Washington with winds gusting up to 25 knts., the pilot said it would be really bumpy on the way in. Not only did it not feel bumpy at all but the landing was perfect. There is a reason why Wideroe operates Dash-8s, they are sturdy airplanes. The plane I really feel sorry for is the Beech 1900.


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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

My buddy flew on one of Mesaba's old Dash 8s back in the days when they had them from TVC to DTW. He told me about this time they were on their way into DTW when the plane felt like it slammed into a wall and almost spun sideways. Everyone panicked on board for a moment. Later the captain announced that they had flown thru the wake of a departing NW 744

User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

After my last DashLate Flight I would rather eat a crow then fly on one agian

I was booked to fly from SYR-DCA (my travel agent must hate me)

not being fond of the beast (the pax cabin, not hte a/c its self) i switched to SYR-LGA-DCA and took the shuttle LGA-DCA

the flight from SYR-LGA was bad enough i dont see how anyone could fly SYR-DCA on one... talk about a head ache... out of sync engines... vibration etc... etc... etc...


User currently offlineVapourTrails From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2875 times:
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I have flown on Dash-8 quite often, in windy conditions at times - and haven't found that they 'fight the wind' like you describe. Thinking about it, I can't remember ever having a rough flight on one to date, quite the opposite really. Other turbo-props? If you had said the Saab340 YES I would have to agree with some of what you describe. In my experience as pax I can think of a number of occasions where it feels like the wind is getting the better of it! I still fly on them though!!  Laugh out loud


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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

AC320 - most turboprops are much more powerful on takeoff roll Big grin

User currently offlineYow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

As a fan of the Dash-8 myself, I just have a question to ask everyone.

How long (in flight duration) do you not mind flying on a Dash-8 or any other turboprop for that matter?

The longest I have ever flown on one is about 1:20 (on AC Jazz) without too much of a problem, however my back and derrière was starting to get a little sore as the Jazz seats on the 8s aren't too comfortable. Are the seats on Dash-8s on other airlines any better?


User currently offlineTristar2000 From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

Does any one have any flight experience on the Dash 8 Q400... apparently the aircraft is so different they should have called it the Dash 9!!

Steven


User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

they are not forced to turn into the wind, they are just slow and so they are turnned away from the departures of the faster jet aircraft...the Dash can put up with much worse conditions then more other airplanes, nothing to feel sorry for, they are great!

Slawko's comment bears reposting.

Commuter aircraft are assigned a different course upon departure so that the departure process is not slowed down...


User currently offlineTpowaleny From United States of America, joined Sep 2002, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

I enjoy the dash 8 myself.. I've only flown them on Shuttle America (pre-USEx) and Allegheny. Although the seats aren't the best I make do with them. On Allegheny I try and get seat 9A and watch the gear...

Tim


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

I could go forever in one of them things  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

I love the Dash8 but dont understand why it has lost out to the ATR family, isnt it an ideal F27 replacement?


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User currently offlineHoustondallas From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

The Dash 8 never lost out to the ATR. Both aircraft have done well in the marketplace. BTW, the Q400 is a hell of a plane. A Dash 9 would be a good neame since it is quite different.

houston


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

I dont know of many operator's eapecially major airlines that use the Dash8, comapre that to the ATR family.


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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2584 times:
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Yow --

Longest Dash 8 ride I've had was Vancouver to Fort St. John non-stop. That was 2 hours, and that's definitely pushing the comfort zone. Very smooth flight though, and spectacular scenery over the Rockies. Don't recall feeling too fatigued, but I was happy to stand up.

Scariest flight was a tie between Prince Rupert to Vancouver, and Vancouver to Castelgar. The Rupert flight took off in a howling gale -- but it was right on the nose and the Dash 8-300 almost went straight up after a very short roll. Castlegar approach in a light snowstorm had me closing my eyes because I know what the terrain is like around that little valley -- very big mountains everywhere, and the plane has to lose a lot of altitude quickly to hit the button. Kitimat has a similar problem when the wind blows in the wrong direction.

But the 8 gets in and out just about every time -- so does the BAE 146 when they use it.



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User currently offlineYow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2514 times:

Thanks for your opinions. Anyone else?

User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Dash8's are great airplanes. I've flown the -100 and -300 versions on AirBC. I haven't flown on the Q series, but supposedly they're very smooth and quiet.

Probably part of the reason they appear to have more "bouncing around" on approach is their lower approach speed hangs them in the air for longer.

If I was flying in bad weather or onto a short strip, I'd want to be in a Dash8 as my first choice.


User currently offlineVapourTrails From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2465 times:
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As a fan of the Dash-8 myself, I just have a question to ask everyone.

How long (in flight duration) do you not mind flying on a Dash-8 or any other turboprop for that matter?


The flights I've had are usually about 60 mins. The longest flight I've had on one though would be about 80 mins, so at a limit 2 hours would be more than enough. That goes for any turboprop of a similar size. Smaller aircraft like Beech 1900, 60 mins. would be plenty.

For me it also depends on how many people are on the flight. If the flight is full, then the shorter the better.. bit of claustrophobia sets in!

Are the seats on Dash-8s on other airlines any better?

I've flown on Southern Australia (now QantasLink) and the seats have always been very comfortable and spacious. No complaints there! I've found the seating on B737 to be more cramped than any Dash-8 I've been on.

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Actualy ERA kept their Convair 580's around for so long is that the Dash-8's do have some issues with single engine perfromance with the Airport in Valdez, Ak. The Convair is just that much better. Of course the Valdez airport has a 4000 foot decision height too, which is pretty high for a near sea level airport.

But I have heard recently that those Convairs are going to be gone in March.  Crying

As far as everybody bitching about the ride in Turboprops, They are full of it. I flew on a Markair -300 from Dutch Harbor to Anchorage once. That is 831sm away.

Was one row in front of the props, it wasn't a problem. Go a neat view of ice buildup on the spinner.



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25 Houstondallas : Hey Airmale As of June 2002, 641 ATR 42/72's had been deliver. Compared to 645 for the Dash 8 100/200/300/400. They are pretty much neck and neck, and
26 Airmale : Great! and how many airlines operate the Dash8? last I heard 95 airlines were flying the ATR family. Unless DHC use agressive marketing they will lose
27 Houstondallas : Airmale About 80 operators are flying the dash. But why does it matter? Sales are really the only clear indicator of an aircrafts success in the the m
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