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Boeing Failed To Sign SIA For 744XQLR Launch  
User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

This was mentioned in Flight International's report on KAL (Korean Air)'s Aerospace department.

Boeing has sent back 12 KAL Aerospace department personnel because Boeing has failed to sign Singapore Airlines as the launch customer for B747-400XQLR.

Boeing is also delaying the 747 project as well. The article didn't mention Cathay Pacific, so I suppose CX is not going to sign any LoI for 744XQLR launch customer.

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User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

How many versions are there of the 744 ??

744
744(IGW) QF
744ER QF/AF
744XQLR !!


User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

I don't understand the title of the post. Your topic says SIA, but your information says KAL?

Flight International is known for posting rumors. Remember the "Fed Ex weeks from ordering BC-17" artical. I think that was in mid 2001. There a whole bunch.



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

744IGW/744ER are the same plane.

User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

NO, QF have three 744's that are IGW or whatever they are called VH-OJS VH-OJT and VH-OJU.

User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

I don't understand the title of the post. Your topic says SIA, but your information says KAL?

It's related to KAL because KAL Aerospace department is helping Boeing to launch the 744XQLR. These people were sent back because Boeing failed to sign Singapore Airlines as the launch customer.



User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

Boeing's website only mentions 3 744's: 744, 744ER, 744QLR. IGW means increased gross weight. The 744ER is just a 744 with an increased gross weight, allowing it to carry more fuel to fly further. Thus, the 744IGW is just another name for the 744ER. Just like the 777-200IGW is the 777-200ER.

User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4053 times:

Daryl..

VH-OJU/S/T have the slightly uprated engines, or rather the slightly improved versions of the RB211-524G/H-T that allows a slightly higher MTOW then the standard RB211-524G that is in the rest of the QF fleet.

BA also has an uprated RB211, in the version of the RB211-524H2 and H3, while the original is an RB211-524H.

I dont think they would be considered an IGW though literally they are. They are basically the same aircraft inside out, all identical, except with higher powered engines thats all.

I'm sorry I dont have the exact power figures for them.

Regards
Tsentsan



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User currently offlineJmacias34 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

You forgot the 747-400ALP


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

Tsentsan,

Thank you, I understand but I'm sure at one time they called them IGW's. I'm getting confused with all these different versions and extra letters they are sticking on the end !!


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

let's just hope for the best....  Smile

hope SIA and CX will sign it..... eventually.


User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Daryl -

No worries, you should see what people say about SIA 777s... its getting so irritating that people for calling the SRx SQx as ER versions....... extremely irritating, even after numerous explanations.



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User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

How does one define a B777 as an ER version? If I'm not wrong the SQ, SR and SV have center fuel tanks which allows them to take on about 135 tons of fuel... not ER?


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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

And Bigo747, where did you get that article from?

User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

When will Boeing get their act together and move away from heating the 744 up in the microwave to see if anything changes and then offer it as a new 747. If they want to keep the 747 the queen of the skies they need to redesign the -400 and not only add a feature here and there. They havn't learned from the 743 and 764 at all... Either do a complete job or don't do it at all..
Max


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

Guess I have to join you, Godbless.
It seems airlines want more than a refurbished 744.

Anyway sad to hear. It would have been good to hear something positive from the 747 this year.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

It seems airlines want more than a refurbished 744.

Then why did the B 747X/X Stretch Fail?

Perhaps they should design a new wing


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3710 times:


United Airline,

The 747X / 747X Stretch failed because they couldn't compete with the 388. Apparently Boeing would need to update the 747 more comprehensively, or design an all-new plane. Of course accroding to their market forecasts, there is no market to justify an all-new plane so they're unlikely to do that.





User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

That's a shame. I really wanted the 747-400XQLR more than the Airbus A345.

Maybe the XQLR was too big and could carry too many people?

I don't think we'll know the reason why Singapore Airlines didn't choose it  Sad



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Sure we now the reason Sigapore_Air,
SIA decided that the aircraft did not fit in their fleet or that they had a much better alternative. It's that simple.  Big grin



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

I think SQ might order it when it comes to a point that a large number of B 747-400s need to be replaced.

User currently offlineCaptainAD From United States of America, joined May 2001, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Thank you for your post Manni... without you we may have never been able to figure out that SIA made the decision because "the aircraft did not fit in their fleet or that they had a much better alternative." Very insightful  Insane

User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

Joni, Well put. Boeing does feel the market is somewhat limited. If Boeing offers something to compete with the A388, both will lose money. The A388's sold so far have been at fire sale rates (a fact discussed openly in FI and AW&ST) so Airbus really has to sell about 500-600 more of these beasts at retail prices to justify the $12-$16 billion investment. There is no room for Boeing to try to make a VLA to compete with Airbus.

User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 day ago) and read 3406 times:

CaptainAD,

Any time! Big grin

Navion,

I believe that it was mentioned before that Airbus had to sell about 250 to 300 aircraft to justify the investment.



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User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (12 years 23 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

It's not necessary to replace a B747 with a B747  Big grin


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25 Post contains images Sllevin : Manni, I believe that 250-300 is the current official breakeven number right now. However, historically, that number always rises. And it has often ri
26 Bigo747 : United Airline: Please read the first message I put about where I get this article. It's Sep 10-16, 2002 edition.
27 Navion : Manni, The first 100 are being sold for a hell of a lot less than "list" prices. The question you need to ask yourself is "How much money needs to be
28 SailorOrion : Boeing predicts a market for 900 units of 747 or larger in size in the next 20 years. Navion, I agree with your analysis, but I think of a number of a
29 9V-SVC : I am not surprise with SQ's decisions especially with lack of commitment from other airlines as well . I would love to see SQ buying both A345 and B74
30 Joni : Airbus is also using their cashflow to pay for A380 development, and withdrawing credits as they're needed, i.e. not all up front. Also, the first 50
31 Manni : Sllevin, Thanks for cnfirming that it's the OFFICIAL number. Navion, I'm in no position to make a forecast about the possible number of A380's that ha
32 Post contains images United Airline : I am not surprise with SQ's decisions especially with lack of commitment from other airlines as well . I would love to see SQ buying both A345 and B74
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