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User currently offlinePA121 From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 98 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

I have noticed AZ only fly to London Heathrow. They do not serve any other UK city, unlike most of other EU carriers.
I was wondering if you knew why and if it has always been the case. UK and Italy are the 4th and 6th world economies so you would expect somewhat more activity from AZ. Also BA fly to at least 7 different Italian cities, and AZ fly to many multiple destinations in EU Countries (even 2 in Portugal which is somewhat smaller than UK...)
Thanks for your help

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User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Good question.

My guess would be that the majority of the traffic is TO Italy, for obvious reasons. Most traffic FROM Italy is probably most likely to go to London; other cities are served by British carriers.

On the other hand, AZ offer flights to a variety of Italian cities FROM London...Rome, Milan, Venice etc.

That's my guess, anyway.

Even though they are not in the same league, don't forget that Go and Ryanair cover many Italian cities too, this might have an affect.


User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Funny you should mention this. I was only thinking recently that I had not seen AZ at LGW recently.

They used to fly to LGW...when did they stop?

LGW


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1580 times:
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Aside from LHR, AZ also serve LGW, although not a another city, a different airport nonetheless.


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User currently offlinePA121 From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

I am not so sure they still serve LGW, they definitely left City Airport....but still London it is.
It is the absence from Birmingham and Manchester that surprises me mainly, there should well be some traffic in there...BA fly several ones, plus the new BMI East Midland to Milan (BGY), the flights from Liverpool and even from Cardiff if I remember correctly.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1574 times:
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AZ have stopped LGW looking at the pictures.




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User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1562 times:

Well, I think Volare still ply the route to VCE with an A320, on behalf of Alitalia. So, depending on your opinion, you might say AZ still served LGW.

Cheers


User currently offlineN175dz From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2000, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

AZ have served Manchester over the years, on and off. Their first scheduled flight was 7th April 1948!, but I'm not sure when they stopped.

cheers, Phil.


User currently offlineGreenjet From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 967 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

In addition to the Volare flight to Venice, Alitalia operate a once-daily MD-80 service of their own to Rome from Gatwick.

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7447 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1520 times:
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Phil

The 1948 flights lasted for just 4 weeks - apparently plenty enough time for them to work out that it's wasn't profitable! I think the next attempt was from 1968 to 1972, posssibly 2 weekly FCO-LIN-MAN-DUB using Se210s. I remember having timetables from the late 70s/early 80s which had BA/AZ 912/3 to LIN listed; the servuce actually routed GLA-MAN-LIN-MAN-GLA

Then the last lot was from 1987/8 to 1991, when it was initially 5 weekly nightstopping LIN-MAN, then 5 weekly LIN-MAN mid-morning from 1990 and from winter 1990, a LIN-MAN-DUB service, with MD82s (they used about 3 different aircraft - possibly ATI ones?) in summer 1991, otherwise it was DC9-30s all the way apart from the day when Air Koryo Il62 came in (12/7/91?) when AZ used an A300 - both visitors bringing athletes to the World Student Games in Sheffield.

KLMuk also operated an AZ codeshared service MXP-MAN around from 1996 for about 7 or 8 months which operated on a 13 weekly basis using Fk100s until this was withdrawn.

Note - that's going from memory, reference books not to hand!

David



User currently offlineN175dz From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2000, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

David,

From what i could find - the last start was June '88 (from R.A.Scholefield's book), but I couldn't find any mention of them stopping. I have to hand it to you though, your memory is damned impressive  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.

cheers, Phil.


User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

Before Ryanair and GO started to serve many Italian cities from STN, AZ used to fly FCO/MXP/LIN-LHR; LIN-LCY; FCO/PSA/CTA/BLQ/VCE/TRN-LGW, but after that low-cost entered the market and their financial trouble, they keep only FCO/MXP/LIN-LHR and FCO/VCE-LGW.

User currently offlineLeej From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

Saw an AZ MD80 on final approach to Gatwick yesterday afternoon - so they are definately there!

User currently offlineThe Rock From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1402 times:

PA121

I thought that the UK was lower on the list of Economic powers.
US
Japan
Germany
China
France
not necessarily in that order
and then UK & Italy.



User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1402 times:
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The top 5 economic powers are:

US
UK
Japan
Germany
France

All are G8 members. Italy is in the top 10, but China is nowhere near this list. Anyway i'm going off-topic now.

Arsenal@LHR



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User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

As far as I know...the world powers are : (in a G7 order, because I am ot including Russia cause they've got nothing to do there)

1.- USA
2.- Japan
3.-Germany
4.-France
5.-UK
6.-Italy
7.-Canada

So, France is over the UK

Lan_Fanatic
Chile


User currently offlinePA121 From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1348 times:

Totally off topic, but the G7 Countries are:

1 US
2 Japan
3 Germany
4 UK
5 France
6 Italy
7 Canada

The UK ranking is a it tricky as it depends on the exchange rate of the Pound. There was a period in the 80s when the UK GNP was actually lower than the Italian, so they were 6th. Two years ago the strong Pound made the UK surge over France but difference in minimal (and things could have already changed).
GNP per capita is a different story (there are countries with a higher one than the US) and maybe more interesting for Airlines.

Yet possibly too a complicated topic for Alitalia management  Smile (just kidding, I love them!)


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

And if we rank the above in terms of where I'd most like to live.....

1/Italy  Big grin


User currently offlineThe Rock From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

Capt. Picard

Thanx for setting the record straight.

I agree.


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