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Wesjet Adds Non-stop YYZ-YVR Service  
User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 11
Posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

There is gonna be some tough competition on that route with Tango, AC, and Jetsgo.

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User currently offlineFLYGUY From Canada, joined May 1999, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3563 times:

I go to college in Toronto but live in Vancouver so I commute between the two cities at least once a month so I will DEFINATELY choose Westjet. Over the past month or so, I've flown AC Mainline twice, Tango once, and Jetsgo and all fall short of the friendly service that WJ provide; they've won my business out of this concrete jungle called Toronto Embarrassment

FLYGUY


User currently offlineA380 From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 658 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3550 times:

So will there be 4 YYZ-YYC flights each day soon? Have they used up their slots in YYZ?

User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3524 times:

I don't think AC has much to worry about...but Jetsgo on the other hand...!!!


buhh bye
User currently offlineSayem55 From Pakistan, joined Jul 2001, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

What type of aircrafts will they use …. B737ng?


StarFighter
User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

Based on the aritcle, I suspect the B737-700s will be used.

aw


User currently offlineDripstick From Canada, joined Dec 2001, 2364 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

They may use the two Delta B738s as well. They are apparently keeping them until December from what I hear.

I had the pleasure of taking the 800 from YHM to YYC and then YYC to YYZ. Tons of legroom and comfy leather.  Big thumbs up

Dripstick



What's another word for thesaurus?
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

The 732 could not handle YYZ-YVR nonstop without severe payload restrictions.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3473 times:

What are the competition's fares on this route?

User currently offlineTennisace From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

So would one assume from this announcement that the eastern expansion is pushed back again (Halifax, Monteal, St. John's)????????? Seems like they're going where the money is..........not that that's a bad thing.

User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Everyone knows WJ is doing this route for prestige!


buhh bye
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

Not only that Lymann, but WJ is also deliberately avoiding the YUL market.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Of course they are avoiding the YUL market. It's a low cost airline, not a no cost airline. They still have to make a business case out of it! YUL has too low a PCI even for Westjet. Let Jetsgo suffer the consequences.  Smile


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineJetCaptain From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 236 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

Does anyone know how many weekly flights Skyservice and Air Transat operate between YYZ-YVR as well ? Just curious.

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Surely Montreal deserves NO SERVICE with Westjet.

Forget the fact that there are 5 million people in this market that travel abroad in Canada. Forget that Air Canada only flies YUL-YVR 3 times in the winter, 4 times in the summer. Forget that WJ makes a profit in the smallest of communities.

In a perfect world, airlines would flock to the most viable of routes, but that is NEVER the case. Each airline acts upon competition, threat, and media exposure. Fantastic, now there are 4 airlines flying YYZ-YVR, compared to 1 on YUL-YVR. Surely, YYZ-YVR Must be 4 times more profitable, and surely YYZ deserves about 25 flights a day, compared to the 3 from Montreal. Now thats a joke, you know it, and I know it.

But let me bet what your response is going to be "YUL's PCI blah blah".. BULL... its always been the battle of Toronto. And EVERY airline that has tried to compete with AC's hub in Toronto, has FAILED. History will repeat itself..

Why WestJet wont fly to Montreal. its french just like every Canadian is scared of this market. They dont like Dorval, but they fly into Pearson which is 3X more expensive, and again its french. They know fully well that there is a market for them here (its the 2nd largest Canadian market, the no.3 airport).. but SURELY THUNDER BAY IS SO MUCH MORE VIABLE... comeone!

Neil, Lynman and all your ego-centric Torontonians buddies that are caught in your little bubbles, I challenege you to keep your arrogant mouthes shut before you spoil yet another thread, with your immature and prejudice comments. Its hurtful as a Canadian to know that there are people like that have this attitude. So I suggest is that you get over yourselves, and stop this bitter feud, because your going to get everybody cranky. Please stop this!

Hey for the record, hasnt JETSGO reported a profit.... good job!

Mark


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

Jetsgo isn't a publicly traded company, so they can say what they want. Until they are publicly traded and are being scrutinized by all sorts of governing bodies and have to follow strict accounting standards, I will not have any faith in what ML says regarding its profitability.

Mark, relax. Lymamn isn't from Toronto, so you can exclude him. Also, why do you take this YUL stuff so seriously? All Neil, Lymamn, other users and I are doing is trying to get a rise out of you! And it works!

Why did Westjet choose YYZ instead of YUL? I dunno. Write them a letter, maybe they will tell you! Maybe there is more money to be made in Toronto. Maybe the market is crowded, but many companies are often cocky, and their whole intention is to see others fail, so they can pick up the pieces. Maybe Westjet is thinking they can kill Jetsgo by flying direct YVR to YYZ. But again, I dunno. It's all speculation on my part.




"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

This is great news for my parents who live in Edmonton. One of the reasons they don't like coming to visit me is because they hate flying with Air Canada. WestJet will give them more options. At least they can get to Toronto avoiding AC...getting down to New York is another issue though

Does WestJet have any intention of flying to the U.S.? Do they have a codeshare with any airline here?


User currently offlineA380 From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 658 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

WJ doesn't have any regular flights to the US now. I think WJ is unlikely to code share with anybody (just like Southwest, JetBlue) However I believe WJ will eventually fly to the US.

User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

Great news for Westjet, this at a time when they are building a second hangar, this time in Hamilton. More Eastern routes are on the horizon.


Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

Guys keep up the YUL banter.It's all good fun.When would the Westjet YYZ-YVR flight times be as I wouldnt mind spending a day in YVR next summer.

User currently offlineCap'n Dan From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

FLYYUL: Did you know that Lymanm lives in Montreal? So do I, and I agree with him wholeheartedly.

User currently offlineC-GRYK From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 751 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Uh oh, whaddya know? The Montreal users are getting angry, nothing out of the usual on this forum.

Look, this is going to be my first long post in months, but let me tell you, I have been watching the forum over the summer while I was away and all I'm seeing are the same arguments from FLYYUL.

Mark, it just seems you can't accept the airline service you already have in your city..... why not? It's not like you are going to utilize half the routes you want YUL to get, it's not like you are going to be one who is going to make these routes profitable, but you desperately want to see routes and added frequencies in the YUL market. Yes, maybe Montreal can support a few extra flights, but really, what is it to you? Do you have such a tight schedule that you the flexibility of an extra 5th daily flight to YVR in the summer? Do you even go to Vancouver often? I've never been one to really want an airline to fly to Toronto except for Virgin, because I go to the UK once or twice a year and nowadays, I'm always on Virgin (had to route through JFK this summer).

Sure it's nice to be able to spot more planes, but airlines don't open up routes to please spotters, if you want more planes to spot, come to Toronto (hahaha) or really, JFK or MIA or LAX or ORD...

It really does seem you guys have an incredible resentment towards Toronto, it even reeks of jealousy to me, and I have no clue why, I'll be the first person to say I have a soft spot for London, England that is much larger than Toronto in my heart. My city is nice, but none of us go around actually saying "Toronto is a better city than Montreal," no people are saying "you have to realize Toronto is a much larger market for aviation" which you just can't seem to handle.

You can't admit that service is adequate in YUL because YYZ has 2 or 3 or 4 times the amount of flights on certain routes and Toronto isn't 2 or 3 or 4 times more populous than Montreal. There are many factors that determine the scope of aviation markets, population isn't the only one.

But of course, YUL has so much business, it's such a wonderful city, Toronto steals all the routes you should get and Air Canada has some conspiracy against Montreal.

It would be nice to see if some of the more senior Montreal users of this forum can respond to you, because I don't picture them being so uptight and glossy about Montreal. Your city is what it is, now get on with it. There are no conspiracy theories, if AC thought it could make money on more flights from YUL, THERE WOULD BE MORE FLIGHTS FROM YUL!!!! How hard is that to fathom? Gee, why doesn't Toronto have a flight to Johannesburg when there are some South Africans here? Why doesn't Toronto get a flight to Delhi because there are some Indians here? Surely there are enough Indians who would fill up the flight year round, but it wouldn't be making money because they wouldn't be paying ridiculous fares to fly unrestricted economy or 2 day advance booking.

Get a grip children, and get on with life, you guys live in some YUL aviation fantasy world.

Jeremy



Think before you type!
User currently offlineYvr74 From Canada, joined Sep 2002, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

"When would the Westjet YYZ-YVR flight times be as I wouldn't mind spending a day in YVR next summer."

WJ 683 will depart YYZ at 18:15 and arrive YVR at 20:35 daily except for Sat.

WJ 682 will depart YVR at 9:55 and arrive YYZ at 17:30 daily except for Sat.

This is based on information taken from the WestJet website.


User currently offlineTheHangarCat From Canada, joined Apr 2002, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

Why no WJ service in Montreal?

It's simple, It's all about negotiations... We didn't go into YYZ until we had the agreement that would benefit us most favorably... surely everyone remembers WestJet's plan to go into YYZ as far back as '99 (Zip's Steve Smith, when he was working for WestJet said that himself back then, along with Montreal Halifax and St. john's). We waited until it was good for us to begin YYZ service and we did it.

The reason why we don't go into Montreal yet is airport negotiations. Maybe YUL isn't giving us the deals we want (maybe there's some behind the scenes back scratching between Aeroports De Montreal and AC... for all you conspiracy theorists).. YUL is too expensive and YHU doesn't have a terminal big enough to support WJ service and nevermind YMX. We'll go in when the time is right and the money too.

I read in Canada.com that ADM is considering taking over administration of YHU as well as YMX and YUL. Will that speed up eventual WJ service in Montreal or delay it further? stay tuned.

Here's another way to look at it, YQB was quoted in the Soleil saying that they'd be willing to lower landing fees just to get WJ in so maybe there's another factor to the delayed expansion into la belle provence. Sometimes costs aren't the only reason. We don't have enough french speaking crew. Isn't it true that all cabin messages in flights originating in QC (and flying out of it) have to be in french first and then in english? Think of the logistics involved in that... We just don't have enough francophones working at WJ to cover that necessity.

Many factors contribute to where and when WJ fly to, I think that the last thing on the minds of marketing and planning is:

"Give lower fares to those damn frenchies? NEVER! they can have their precious Air Canada and like it"

You'll see a WJ plane in QC soon, WJ expands slowly but surely, we're the tortoise as opposed to the hare (or bee he he...bzzzz zip).

paix, mes amis de Montréal, et la patience aussi.

Peace,
TheHangarCat



If it Ain't Boeing, I ain't Going!
User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

Hey, HangarCat: Any possibility for U.S. expansion?

25 Captaingomes : Re: U.S. expansion. This is the next level for airlines such as Westjet, Southwest and Jetblue. This is an untapped market and has really good potenti
26 TheHangarCat : No US expansion anytime soon.... There's too many other cities to explore in canada first before going X-border. That article quoting a WJ exec on US
27 Post contains images Captaingomes : LOL HangarCat, your point is evident right here on airliners.net on a regular basis. However, I would think that it would be a smart strategic move, i
28 C-GRYK : Hey Nuno, "I'm not pretending to know more about the market than Westjet, just thinking out loud" I wish more people in this forum would say/admit tha
29 FLYYUL : Thats not true about beeing predominantly French first... not at all.. Mark
30 Yyz717 : Anyway, from only 4 daily YYZ flights in May, WJ is growing to 7 daily before Christmas. Clearly YYZ is a profitable market for WJ. Once again, it wou
31 Post contains images AWspicious : You guys are gonna give poor ole Mark an aneurysm!
32 FLYYUL : Neil, I know you want to get under my skin. I know your trying to provoke me, but I know one day you and I will sit face to face and have respect for
33 Dash8King : I think they would make a good living here in YZF maybe after they get to YUL and YTT they will serve here.
34 Jayce : I think Vancouver to Toronto is traditionally one of the most tried and true routes in Canada, just like Toronto to Montreal, or Edmonton to Calgary.
35 FLYYUL : "I don't think they are purposely avoiding YUL. That sounds like a paranoid conspiracy theory to me." And I never said this..... some people are tryin
36 FLYYUL : It was GMonney's that got me upset, and GOT A WHOLE bunch of Montrealers of the Montreal spotters real upset. I suggest you stop using this if we want
37 Post contains images Godbless : A very cool thread, I learned a lot about my homeland's Aviation scene. Good to know even sitting here far away in Germany... Max
38 Post contains links Dash8King : If you go to my other thread you can read an article about WJ having charter flights to Cuba and Dominican Republic. http://www.airliners.net/discussi
39 Samurai 777 : YYZ-YVR? Good news for WestJet, bad news for AC. I've got a couple of questions here. Doe anyone know when WJ will finally serve YUL, YHU or YQB? I th
40 Marco : I'm from Montreal and I agree with Neil, Lymanm and everybody else. My city is beautiful, but it wouldn't be economically viably for alot of airlines
41 Post contains images Mark_D. : O cielo, another YUL-YYZ (a.k.a. Mtl vs T.O.) tempest in a teapot, around here. Just great C-GRYK because I don't picture them being so uptight and gl
42 Noise : I expect WJ here in YUL by Jan. 2004, but no earlier than that. They might even go to YQB before YUL, wouldn't be surprised to see that either. Flight
43 FLYYUL : Ok Marco, Youre right, im wrong. There is nothing about montreal, my attitude needs to change. And yes, THUNDER BAY IS A MORE VIABLE market than Montr
44 Skywatcher : I was surprised to hear about a WJ YYZ-YVR flight. It goes against the quick turn-around, low cost airport, short-haul model that has been their strat
45 Lymanm : Stop?!!?!!?!? Hahahahaha, nevarrr! This board provides more entertainment than 2h of bland network TV.
46 FLYGUY : I was at Union street station in Toronto tonight and the subway station is smothered in WestJet billboards; they've went all out with their markings o
47 Fly_yhm : Noise I don't expect to see YHZ this year I would say maybe more march 2003 is my guess. I hope this year though or atleast something else in the east
48 Captaingomes : Skywatcher, you have some valid points. However, you must realize that very short sectors, which Westjet was doing a lot of, have seen a tremendous de
49 Yyz717 : It was GMonney's that got me upset, and GOT A WHOLE bunch of Montrealers of the Montreal spotters real upset. No FLYYUL, the only person who EVER gets
50 Jayce : I see this has turned into a Montreal vs T-Dot (can't they just call it Toronto? Is 3 syllables really too hard to grasp?) argument again. Let me clar
51 Rai : I see this has turned into a Montreal vs T-Dot (can't they just call it Toronto? Is 3 syllables really too hard to grasp?) argument again. Jayce, I co
52 FLYYUL : LOL the good old T-Dot expression... where does it come from anyway?
53 Dash8King : Yeah where does it come from? Did someone famous say it or what?
54 Post contains images Captaingomes : I've never heard it. I guess I'm not hip
55 Post contains images Houstondallas : I personally think Buttonville is way underserved. Like, you can get to the Muskokas, but like nowhere else! I suspect this must be some kind of consp
56 Post contains images Dash8King : Nah don't worry Captaingomes your hip just not to the same degree as I am I think Yellowknife should have a direct flight to ORD because there is two
57 Marco : First of all Mark, this is a discussion board. We're supposed to express our opinions here, not try to outsmart each other. Second of all I never said
58 Noise : "No FLYYUL, the only person who EVER gets upset and blows his top on this column regularly is you." Neil, that isn't true. What Gmonney said was wrong
59 Noise : "............but when you consider how many airlines fly to Montreal and how many airlines fly to Thunder Bay you will see that YUL is more served. WJ
60 Westjet_8 : Thats total bullcrap. "And EVERY airline that has tried to compete with AC's hub in Toronto, has FAILED. History will repeat itself.." Canadian was ac
61 Rootsgirl : You say Westjet is competing with Air Canada? What about Tango? And what about Skyservice? They also fly daily to YVR. Who offers the most for the buc
62 Skywatcher : Westjet_8, The only place Canadian flew to from Montreal was to Toronto (except 1 daily to YYC and 1 to YVR). How could Montreal have had any major ne
63 Marco : CP also flew to Rome, London, and I think some other European destinations.
64 Westjet_8 : Skywatcher: my dad was a lawer for Canadain at the time and trust me out of Montreal no one flew them. Everyone went AC. Then when Canadian went under
65 Yyz717 : Interesting comment Westjet_8. I agree with it completely. At the firm I worked at in the mid-90's, our Quebec employees were loyal to AC to a tee & r
66 Rai : Again, YYZ717 hits the nail right on the head. All my relatives in Montreal fly -- or flew when Canadian existed -- Air Canada exclusively. My relativ
67 FLYYUL : Another over-generalization about a market that Torontonians have no clue about. When Canada operated in the 90s, they had the following routes out of
68 Yyz717 : It was well documented that CP had major problems building traffic in the YUL market. They were seen as the "English" airline. Well, the blind (perhap
69 Dash8King : Then maybe Westjet shouldn't fly there. I mean they are based way over in the west. I really wonder if they can make money in YUL when the people ther
70 FLYYUL : So why would people fly British Airways in Montreal Neil? Your not making any sense, and your corrupting the views of others! Mark
71 FLYYUL : "well documented".. where is it well documented? What are your sources or are you speaking off the top of your loud mouth. There is only one thing tha
72 Noise : Marco, I think you're going a little off topic here. FLYYUL was talking about CP, now your talking about Anglo Quebecers. Please don't go off topic.
73 Houstondallas : Don't forget, they are a "distinct society" requiring special status amongst the other anglish provinces. hosuton
74 Noise : Marco, I don't really understand what you meant to say to me. I agree with the rest of your post. Marco, do you live in MTL? Houstondallas, you are ri
75 Post contains images Mark_D. : This is a great thread Okay I can see some may have had some negative experiences here or there (hey there've been a number of those though, for insta
76 Marco : Noise, yes I live on the island of Montreal. Anyway back to the topic, does anyone know how Jetsgo is doing on the YVR-YYZ route?
77 FLYYUL : With all due respect, did you know that the majority of Montreal suburbs are dominated by cultural and allophone groups, but since youve been in Montr
78 Yyz717 : Secondly, cut the crap.... ...in your own little world, Quebeckers hate Canada.... ...Im hoping this thread is locked up... ...this thread has become
79 Marco : Mark I hope that last post wasn't directed towards me because I've never told you how long I've lived in Montreal. I grew up in Montreal before moving
80 FLYYUL : Marco, Youve made all the assumptions in your above posts. You obviously have no clue about the suburbs of Montreal, and their political intentions. D
81 Dash8King : Well Westjet is going to have to offer lower prices if they expect to have a good load on this flight. Tango is $201.50 and Jetsgo is $204. Rootsgirl
82 Post contains images AWspicious : The acronym T-dot means you have Toronto and nothing else.... period! Hence, T-dot "Smithers, pass me my umbrella and my wellingtons, I think the shit
83 Skywatcher : According to the WJ website, their price is $216.50 for YYZ-YVR next February. It is beginning to look more and more to me like WJ's growth is going t
84 Marco : Mark you've been making all the assumptions. I lived in the suburbs of Montreal and yet you assumed I didn't. I gave my opinion on the discrimination
85 Post contains images FLYYUL : Marco, Thank for your advice. Please note that I'll take whatever you say seriously
86 Marco : Mark, I don't expect you too. This is only an ONLINE forum, stop being so emotional about things. Stop whining about YUL being underserved.
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