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It Appears Official Now, Delta 757's To Express  
User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3402 posts, RR: 7
Posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

I know many rumors have gone around that Delta was going to phase out the 732's from the Express routes and send them to mainline, as the 757's are taken from the mainline and put on Express routes, but i never really read anything that someone was 100% sure. Well on Justplanes.com it says Delta is officially going to start this process. It should be interesting to see how they utilize these 757's now. Whether new routes will be added/dropped and if frequencies will drop since larger planes will be flying the routes.

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User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

they'll use about 40 757s. They were originally going to use 767-300s but backed out of it...

i did a posting about this about 2 months ago... ?

-nate


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

I haven't seen anything "official" from Delta; but I could always be wrong.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

Why would they put the 732's on mainline?

Greg



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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

My guess is that they'll just get rid of the gas-guzzlers.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

I don't quite get the idea behind this move... Replacing 732's seems a right move but by large 752's... But using the 732's then on mainline seems rather irrational to me.

Max


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

757s will fly alongside the 732s.. they aren't getting rid of all of them. Don't be surprised to see DL put some 738s in Express markets...

-n


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

The 738 seems ideally suited to express markets.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

The 738 seems resonable to me too.

Are they talking about the whole 757 fleet moving to Express?

Max


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

What's so irrational about putting the 732's back into mainline?

First, DL has to replace some of the capacity lost by shifting the 757's out of mainline and DL can't really afford to buy a bunch of new planes right now. Second, there are some RJ markets that are busting at the seems and need more capacity. The 732 fits into that niche as the MD88's are too much of a capacity increase. Granted the 732's aren't perfect, but for now they will work.

The extra capacity of the 752's is justified in markets like JFK-FLL where DL is going head to head with JBLU. One of the goals is to steal traffic back from JBLU....you won't do this with little 732's or 73G's. The 752's will also have a lower CASM and be more competitive on that front too.


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

The 732 used to serve mainline in routes such as DFW-IAH.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlinePapatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

Question just because it was on just planes news this makes it official? I have not seen one press release from Delta and when I see one then it will be official


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3402 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

yes very true, but normally if this type of news is released by this site it normally has some factual information to back it up.

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

Also, you have to factor in that the 732's of DL Express are all in single class configuration so they need to convert them back to 2 class...I think putting 732's back into mainline makes little sense IMO...

Greg



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User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

I don't think I understand this. Is DL Express like AA Eagle or NW Airlink, a separate carrier set up to serve less-populous markets and thereby save money by using smaller more efficient aircraft piloted by crews who don't make quite as much money as mainline pilots? If so, and DL sends mainline 757's to the Express routes, will we have mainline aircraft serving Express cities with the only difference being pilots who aren't paid as much as pilots on the mainlines? If these Express cities are doing so well why aren't they made into mainline cities?

An explanation would be appreciated. If I am just dense please accept my apologies in advance. I don't follow DL developments very much since keeping up with AA and US, my primary carriers, is just about a full-time job in itself.

Thanks.



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User currently offlineJessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

Delta Express is more like Continental Lite and Shuttle by United than American Eagle. Single class, low service planes on low yield routes. Currently they're just used for bypassing the hubs between the northeast and Florida.

Delta Connection is the division of Delta that is comprable to AA Eagle or NW airlink; DL Connection uses the regional jets and turboprops to smaller communities from the hubs.


User currently offlineJmacias34 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

As asked above, will the entire fleet of 757's be shifted to DL EX, or only some. My main interest is what will become of the daily ONT-ATL run.

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Jmacias34: I think Delta has over a hundred 757s, so there will be plenty left over once the change is completed.

Chances are we won't see anything drastically new on the West Coast as a result of this move; if anything, a few 757 routes will be upgraded to 767s or downgraded to 738s.

I don't think there's that bad of a chance for ONT-ATL to go to a 762...

Aaron G.


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

Let me get this straight.... you guys are now saying that this is "official" because, of all things, justplanes.com says so. Oh, I can't help but laugh hysterically. Only an airliners.net user would consider that to be a valid source of information.

As for 757s, I suppose it's probable, and some people seem to have convinced themselves that it is a viable idea, but as I've said before, nobody seems to have stopped to think about the fact that whatever savings Delta is able to obtain thanks to the 757's efficiency could very well be absolutely obliterated by the amount of money that Delta pilots are contractually entitled to for the 757. Am I saying it won't happen? No. I suppose it will, but Delta's LCC strategy faces much bigger challenges than anybody around here seems to be aware of. It's not simply a matter of taking 22 First Class seats out of a 757 and suddenly you're going head to head with jetBlue.

Only time will tell, but you guys are jumping to conclusions. And I don't care what you heard, from whom, I won't believe anything until somebody within Delta *who is actually working on the project* tells me something, or until John Selvaggio makes his announcement.



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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3402 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

let me stress that i said "appears" by no means do i think this is absolutely official, i just merely think that there is a Very Good chance of this happening

User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

ALSO, Delta has stated that they're looking at RE-branding (or shall we say, reinventing), the Express product. It'll be interesting to see how this all works out.

User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1330 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

It is happening. It is not a rumor. DAL pilots have been told. ALPA has been advised. The aircraft are being modified. The position bids have been started. Training is being done. DAL may not be flooding the world with press releases, but I can think of a bunch of reasons why. Competitive reasons. DAL is holding those cards close to the vest. But 757's on Express is an open secret.

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7483 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

What about the dwindling 727 fleet ? Are the 738's being phased in as 727's are retired ? They'll be gone by next year,right ?


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Yet another major US airline decides to start a low cost subsidiary........what are they nuts? Paging Continental Lite, US Airways Metrojet, Shuttle by United? Sure, the 757's are cheaper to operate than the 732's but honestly, would it not make sense to strip the fleet of the 732's, 727's, for the sake of fuel efficiency over the idea of creating a low cost airline?

It won't work. The majors have tried and failed to mimick Southwest. They can't do it.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3402 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

no offense, but Delta is and has operated a low-cost subsidiary, Delta Express. They are simply changing the aircraft on the routes to allow them to compete with the low-fare carriers of the Northeast better. Now personally i dont think its too smart to phase in the 732's into mainline service. But like stated earlier, the 732 is a nice fit for cities that are too busy for RJ's but not busy enough to denote MD-88's and 738's.

25 MD88Captain : DeltaSFO. I just looked up the pay numbers on a 757 Express crew compared to a 737-200 Express crew. The difference is $117.00 per hour. A 12 year 757
26 MD88Captain : Let me add this to the mix. I think that DAL is considering constructing this LCC in such a way that DAL pilots will be the only mainline DAL pilots f
27 Lowfareair : >>I think DAL may hire customer service, FA's and new mechs for work on this airline in an airline. There is no contractual or legal reason that DAL h
28 MD88Captain : It may present challenges, but look at it this way. DAL has fought off the union threat forever. And lately they have had to really fight hard. This h
29 ChautauquaFA : MD88Captain..... Are you sure they would hire new Flight Attendants. If they are I would apply in a heartbeat. Is the service going to be like JetBlue
30 MD88Captain : ATL based to begin with and I am not sure they will hire anyone at lower wages. I hear that it is being considered and I believe it is a viable option
31 ChautauquaFA : Thanks for the response.....It would be nice to be able to be based in ATL and not have to keep commuting. The reason I was asking if it was going to
32 MD88Captain : No I have not heard anything about that. Sorry.
33 FlyCMH : MD88Captain: With a number of 757's being trasitioned to Delta's new low-fare initiative, I'm wondering what this means for the cities that currently
34 MD88Captain : No I do not know any specifics on 767's going to CMH but I would not be surprised. About 40 757's are going to the LCC and DAL has around 100 757's so
35 FlyCMH : Thank you very much for the quick response. It is much appreciated.
36 SegmentKing : the 732s aren't leaving the Delta Express fleet. The 757s are there to compliment them. I think i also said this earlier... -nate
37 MD88Captain : Actually the 732s will be transferred out of Express and the MCO pilot base closed by Dec 2003. Over the next 6 months 732's will go into CVG after be
38 UA744Flagship : MD88Captain... Around 100 757s? I don't consider 120+ 757s "around 100", that's significantly more.
39 TEDSKI : I hope DL Express comes back to ALB with the 757s to re-start non-stop service between ALB and MCO to compete with WN.
40 BestWestern : The DL 732's are still in excellent condition, although old, they are still reliable and comfortable, even in todays express layout...
41 Tcttx : Actually, DL's 732s aren't that old, they're some of the last 732s produced. Still, they've got to be hitting 15-20 years.
42 BUFJets : Delta has some of the newest 732's. Twelve of Delta's 732's were built in 1986-7. That makes them newer than Delta's oldest 757's. The oldest 732 in D
43 KevOC3 : Are the 73's that are in the desert going mainline, or are they going to stay in storage?
44 777gk : A couple of things that have been rolling around re: the new Express at DL inflight, according my cousin, who has been working almost exclusively Expr
45 Jhooper : All flights will have entertainment available free of charge, but with headsets available for purchase. does that sound like an oxymoron?
46 MAH4546 : All flights will have entertainment available free of charge, but with headsets available for purchase. does that sound like an oxymoron? The thing is
47 777gk : Absolutely, but people are attracted to the word "free"!
48 Jhooper : The thing is, you can bring your own headphones and it is free. Of course it is; how can they stop you from that? That's like saying the in-flight mea
49 HlywdCatft : Wow that is news to me that they built 732s in the late 80s. I didn't know that they were building 732s when they were building 733s already for a few
50 Lowfareair : >>-Plus, several new innovations that "haven't been seen before" will be introduced to the ground and inflight experience, some features to perhaps se
51 Zebfly2 : If this is true, then ISP will see 757's?? The last airline that flew 757's to ISP was Eastern. I'm sure they'll handle ISP's short runways with ease.
52 Dragon-wings : Zebfly2, The runways at ISP aren't that short. The longest runway at ISP is 06/24 and it is 7,002 feet long, just about the same as LGA (the next long
53 Dlx737200 : This is great. I hope DAL and DLX plan on bringing the 757's into Indianapolis. I fly in there all the time with Express and would love to be flying o
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