Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3295 posts, RR: 7 Posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3258 times:
I know many rumors have gone around that Delta was going to phase out the 732's from the Express routes and send them to mainline, as the 757's are taken from the mainline and put on Express routes, but i never really read anything that someone was 100% sure. Well on Justplanes.com it says Delta is officially going to start this process. It should be interesting to see how they utilize these 757's now. Whether new routes will be added/dropped and if frequencies will drop since larger planes will be flying the routes.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6419 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3141 times:
What's so irrational about putting the 732's back into mainline?
First, DL has to replace some of the capacity lost by shifting the 757's out of mainline and DL can't really afford to buy a bunch of new planes right now. Second, there are some RJ markets that are busting at the seems and need more capacity. The 732 fits into that niche as the MD88's are too much of a capacity increase. Granted the 732's aren't perfect, but for now they will work.
The extra capacity of the 752's is justified in markets like JFK-FLL where DL is going head to head with JBLU. One of the goals is to steal traffic back from JBLU....you won't do this with little 732's or 73G's. The 752's will also have a lower CASM and be more competitive on that front too.
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3061 times:
Also, you have to factor in that the 732's of DL Express are all in single class configuration so they need to convert them back to 2 class...I think putting 732's back into mainline makes little sense IMO...
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Contrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3031 times:
I don't think I understand this. Is DL Express like AA Eagle or NW Airlink, a separate carrier set up to serve less-populous markets and thereby save money by using smaller more efficient aircraft piloted by crews who don't make quite as much money as mainline pilots? If so, and DL sends mainline 757's to the Express routes, will we have mainline aircraft serving Express cities with the only difference being pilots who aren't paid as much as pilots on the mainlines? If these Express cities are doing so well why aren't they made into mainline cities?
An explanation would be appreciated. If I am just dense please accept my apologies in advance. I don't follow DL developments very much since keeping up with AA and US, my primary carriers, is just about a full-time job in itself.
Jessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2997 times:
Delta Express is more like Continental Lite and Shuttle by United than American Eagle. Single class, low service planes on low yield routes. Currently they're just used for bypassing the hubs between the northeast and Florida.
Delta Connection is the division of Delta that is comprable to AA Eagle or NW airlink; DL Connection uses the regional jets and turboprops to smaller communities from the hubs.
DeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2903 times:
Let me get this straight.... you guys are now saying that this is "official" because, of all things, justplanes.com says so. Oh, I can't help but laugh hysterically. Only an airliners.net user would consider that to be a valid source of information.
As for 757s, I suppose it's probable, and some people seem to have convinced themselves that it is a viable idea, but as I've said before, nobody seems to have stopped to think about the fact that whatever savings Delta is able to obtain thanks to the 757's efficiency could very well be absolutely obliterated by the amount of money that Delta pilots are contractually entitled to for the 757. Am I saying it won't happen? No. I suppose it will, but Delta's LCC strategy faces much bigger challenges than anybody around here seems to be aware of. It's not simply a matter of taking 22 First Class seats out of a 757 and suddenly you're going head to head with jetBlue.
Only time will tell, but you guys are jumping to conclusions. And I don't care what you heard, from whom, I won't believe anything until somebody within Delta *who is actually working on the project* tells me something, or until John Selvaggio makes his announcement.
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MD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1329 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2717 times:
It is happening. It is not a rumor. DAL pilots have been told. ALPA has been advised. The aircraft are being modified. The position bids have been started. Training is being done. DAL may not be flooding the world with press releases, but I can think of a bunch of reasons why. Competitive reasons. DAL is holding those cards close to the vest. But 757's on Express is an open secret.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2701 times:
Yet another major US airline decides to start a low cost subsidiary........what are they nuts? Paging Continental Lite, US Airways Metrojet, Shuttle by United? Sure, the 757's are cheaper to operate than the 732's but honestly, would it not make sense to strip the fleet of the 732's, 727's, for the sake of fuel efficiency over the idea of creating a low cost airline?
It won't work. The majors have tried and failed to mimick Southwest. They can't do it.
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2680 times:
no offense, but Delta is and has operated a low-cost subsidiary, Delta Express. They are simply changing the aircraft on the routes to allow them to compete with the low-fare carriers of the Northeast better. Now personally i dont think its too smart to phase in the 732's into mainline service. But like stated earlier, the 732 is a nice fit for cities that are too busy for RJ's but not busy enough to denote MD-88's and 738's.
: DeltaSFO. I just looked up the pay numbers on a 757 Express crew compared to a 737-200 Express crew. The difference is $117.00 per hour. A 12 year 757
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: >>I think DAL may hire customer service, FA's and new mechs for work on this airline in an airline. There is no contractual or legal reason that DAL h
: It may present challenges, but look at it this way. DAL has fought off the union threat forever. And lately they have had to really fight hard. This h
: MD88Captain..... Are you sure they would hire new Flight Attendants. If they are I would apply in a heartbeat. Is the service going to be like JetBlue
: ATL based to begin with and I am not sure they will hire anyone at lower wages. I hear that it is being considered and I believe it is a viable option
: Thanks for the response.....It would be nice to be able to be based in ATL and not have to keep commuting. The reason I was asking if it was going to
: No I have not heard anything about that. Sorry.
: MD88Captain: With a number of 757's being trasitioned to Delta's new low-fare initiative, I'm wondering what this means for the cities that currently
: No I do not know any specifics on 767's going to CMH but I would not be surprised. About 40 757's are going to the LCC and DAL has around 100 757's so
: Thank you very much for the quick response. It is much appreciated.
: the 732s aren't leaving the Delta Express fleet. The 757s are there to compliment them. I think i also said this earlier... -nate
: Actually the 732s will be transferred out of Express and the MCO pilot base closed by Dec 2003. Over the next 6 months 732's will go into CVG after be
: MD88Captain... Around 100 757s? I don't consider 120+ 757s "around 100", that's significantly more.
: I hope DL Express comes back to ALB with the 757s to re-start non-stop service between ALB and MCO to compete with WN.
: The DL 732's are still in excellent condition, although old, they are still reliable and comfortable, even in todays express layout...
: Actually, DL's 732s aren't that old, they're some of the last 732s produced. Still, they've got to be hitting 15-20 years.
: Delta has some of the newest 732's. Twelve of Delta's 732's were built in 1986-7. That makes them newer than Delta's oldest 757's. The oldest 732 in D
: Are the 73's that are in the desert going mainline, or are they going to stay in storage?
: A couple of things that have been rolling around re: the new Express at DL inflight, according my cousin, who has been working almost exclusively Expr
: All flights will have entertainment available free of charge, but with headsets available for purchase. does that sound like an oxymoron?
: All flights will have entertainment available free of charge, but with headsets available for purchase. does that sound like an oxymoron? The thing is
: Absolutely, but people are attracted to the word "free"!
: The thing is, you can bring your own headphones and it is free. Of course it is; how can they stop you from that? That's like saying the in-flight mea
: Wow that is news to me that they built 732s in the late 80s. I didn't know that they were building 732s when they were building 733s already for a few
: >>-Plus, several new innovations that "haven't been seen before" will be introduced to the ground and inflight experience, some features to perhaps se
: If this is true, then ISP will see 757's?? The last airline that flew 757's to ISP was Eastern. I'm sure they'll handle ISP's short runways with ease.
: Zebfly2, The runways at ISP aren't that short. The longest runway at ISP is 06/24 and it is 7,002 feet long, just about the same as LGA (the next long
: This is great. I hope DAL and DLX plan on bringing the 757's into Indianapolis. I fly in there all the time with Express and would love to be flying o