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User currently offlineB-OTCH From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 139 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

AirTran should be announcing today the start of AirTran Express. Using CRJ -100, -200, and -700. Service to Philadelphia, Pittsburg, and Key West, just to name a few...

Let's see if they actually go through with it or not...

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User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

that's mean to even imply that. You'll get BR715 excited.....

User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1592 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

I've been hearing commuter buzz as well. I think it will be good thing.

User currently offlineSpotterboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3558 times:

Will be interesting to see a new part of AirTran....

Well, let's wait and watch out for it!


User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3530 times:

That would be interesting. Rumor has it that this has been on the table for a while and a least one city has turned a cold shoulder to FL's express venture.

joe


User currently offlineH. Simpson From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 949 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3461 times:

I wonder where do they get their CRJs. Lease?

User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2122 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3454 times:

Isn't AirTran "express" enough?  Laugh out loud


Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3440 times:

I loved how I got flamed by people when I hinted at the possibilities of RJs coming to AirTran. Hopefully they enjoy their own foot.  Smile


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User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6177 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3417 times:

Hey maybe if they do launch Air Tran Express they might add DAB.
Chepos



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineCO 757 200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

According to the rumor Joe has heard:

"and at least one city has turned a cold shoulder to FL's express venture."

FL has a reputation to serve cities which are shafted by the majors......I think downgrading 717 and D93's to CRJ's (especially on AAI) would be a recipe for backlash as they were started to maintain decent and reasonably fared service on routes that the majors underserved,and or overcharged.

Joe: Is AAI planning to cut their "mainline"(ie: D93 and/or 717) service to the one city that has given the cold shoulder,or is it possibly a new destination altogether that does not like the fact that FL is not making a full service inauguration to there? Admittedly, I haven't heard a peep about this,so this comes as a surprise to me.



User currently offlineB-OTCH From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

This would be operated by Mesa, BTW

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

How about want made launches nonstop from ATL-EYW, MLB, HSV, BHM, MSY, BNA, CVG, CLE, ALB, MHT, BTV, PWM, AUS, SAT, CRP, CMH, DTW, CHS and more cities to do as for AirTran Express. Isn't should best way very good idea to do take with the new routes by anytime as near of the future. Thanks!!

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

from the sounds of the original post,it sounds like this express operation would really be serving some focus cities throughout FL's route network rather than ATL, such as PHL, BWI, MDW, and of course the florida destinations. hopefully PHL will see a lot of these flts, they have plenty of gate space at PHL

well before i jump the gun i would really like to see this released by FL before i start getting to anxious about this.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

after reading the first post, i began to wonder what the difference between the 2 planes is? Don't they both carry 50 pax, so whats the difference?

User currently offlineSerge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

Some -100s and -200s are configured for either 40 or 50 pax usually. The -700s are configured for 60-70...

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

s


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

What a pile of s***. AirTran is EXPRESS. They serve small markets, have thin routes, and use "regional" aircraft, and they are low-fare. How much more "express" could you get?

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

BTW -- I am not excited. I will be excited whenever AirTran orders the A380

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Difference between the CRJ -100 and -200 is merely range I believe since they both seat 50. The 40 seater is the -400/440.

CO 757 200> TOL is the city, I believe, Joe is talking about. From my understanding...shortly after AirTran announced the pull out from Toledo a decision was reached that would be the CRJs into the FL fleet towards the end of the year. Since they were routinely holding loads from 70-80%, filling a CRJ wasn't going to be a problem. They came back to the Port Authority to renegotiate a new lease and used the CRJs as the excuse for their "change of heart." Depending on who you talk to...they were either laughed out of TOL or told to "not let the door hit your ass on the way out." I'll attempt to get some more information on this.

Scotty suggested: ATL-EYW, MLB, HSV, BHM, MSY, BNA, CVG, CLE, ALB, MHT, BTV, PWM, AUS, SAT, CRP, CMH, DTW, CHS...as far as new cities. Some of these have already been tried by AirTran I, VJ, or AirTran II (Today's version). EYW, MLB, HSV, MHT, BTV seem more likely than any others listed. Most cities are already covered: CVG & CMH (DAY), CLE (CAK), DTW (FNT), etc. BHM and CVG were old FL/VJ cities that they will likely not go back into. Another big thing to keep in mind, they are going to want to keep stage lengths close to 500 miles or greater for cost reasons. CASMs are going to be much much higher than the 717s, even if they are code-sharing Mesa.

It almost appears AirTran may have a bit of an identity crisis right now. They can't really grow to new, profitable cities with the 717s due to range. There are only so many people flying right now that it will hurt LFs doing more point to point. Finally any of the really good cities left east of the Mississippi has either Southwest or another low fare carrier servicing it. It is interesting to see how they are going to try to mimmick Frontier a bit -- we'll see how it works.

As far as my picks for new cities...who knows. I wouldn't be shocked to see these go to ICT and other low performing cities (profit wise). Of course personally I wonder if they will come back to TOL, seeing they may have never wanted to leave to begin with. Bad blood takes awhile to calm down, but in the state of this industry -- the Port would almost be foolish to reject them. Of course, you don't want an airline flying to your hometown that won't promise a consistant service. Pax won't follow, especially business passengers, and you are going to end up with the low yeild bottom feeders. Would the 3rd time be the charm? I believe it would work -- DL has cut back some capacity to CVG with the CRJ redeployment and US is fairly weak right now. However, ATA has sucked up almost all low fare passengers thanks to brand recognition from the many years of people taking charters out to Vegas, Mexico, Florida, etc.

This should get interesting.  Smile



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User currently offlineCO 757 200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

Thanks for the clarification Ouboy79, I'll be looking for the info  Smile

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

so far i haven't seen anything on any website about it today and its getting rather late in the day, so i doubt we will see anything released today, maybe in the next few days.

User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Airtran should instead be thinking about getting some 319's and flying routes like ATL -> SAN, LAX, SFO, SEA, PDX, etc..

-Sean


User currently offlineRoastedNutz From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3122 times:


I won't believe it till I see it.

You can never trust someone who goes around with a title like B-OTCH (pronounced BEEAWCH).



User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5486 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Yeah I also found this out last night, should be interesting too see. Don't know how long it will work though. What about that strong rumor of getting 737-800's for possible west coast expansion? I think they should focus on that first.

User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

I don't see anything of the sort on their press releases page...

http://www.businesswire.com/cnn/aai.shtml

If they actually *are* going to do this... and it's not a rumour... Who do they think they are, (the new ex-) Midway?

redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

AirTran already seems pretty regional to me. Perhaps they should think about heading west first.
As for possible cities, AirTran has been making a lot of losses to Wichita, but it may be because of their flight to Chicago Midway which offers only a few connecting flights. I hear Atlanta's doing fine.



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25 Post contains images ScottysAir : Yo Justin!! I'm guess that might AirTran want getting with the B737-800 or Airbus A319 by the west coast nonstop from ATL flight. I'm confused about a
26 Srbmod : I think AirTran could give ASA/Comair some good competition with this, if it is true. I think if they do go ahead with this, some cities may see addit
27 Alaskaairlines : Very Interesting! Go Airtran!!!!! -Dmitry
28 Brons2 : AirTrain will not be getting the A319 becuase Boeing owns part of the company..... The 738 and 73G would be possibilities, but not the 319.
29 Lowfareair : Boeing doesn't own part of AirTran. I believe they have some stock options(for profit taking only) and much of the debt was refinanced through Boeing,
30 DCA-ROCguy : This idea does not sound good to me, if it is actually true. Aren't RJ's inherently high-CASM? How is AirTran going to offer low fares on a plane wher
31 DCA-ROCguy : JetBlue and AirTran have demonstrated that people will go transcon without a meal, in order to get a low fare. Umm, I meant JetBlue and Southwest. Ear
32 MrLineGuy : DCA-ROCguy, I absolutely agree. The props are the only way a low-fare carrier is going to be able to sustain an "express" operation. ATA has looked in
33 Lowfareair : I am not in favor of this idea at all, and would venture to say that Mr. Leonard is starting to take the path downhill. I might change my mind if Mesa
34 FlyPNS1 : I think this idea would be suicide at this point in AAI's life. Airtran needs to keep costs low in order to stay competitive. Adding a new fleet type
35 Post contains images Gr8SlvrFlt : I don't think AAI will be getting its own RJs but contracting with Mesa for a commuter operation. Relatively high-yield feed from smaller markets to A
36 Rumorboy : Since we are all speculating about what this express out fit is going to do. Lets take this a step further. Yes we have some gates in ATL on the D con
37 Ouboy79 : DCA-ROC guy said... This idea does not sound good to me, if it is actually true. Aren't RJ's inherently high-CASM? How is AirTran going to offer low f
38 ONT 737 : The first thing AirTran should do *if* they add the RJ is get them into DCA. If Delta can get 20 regional slots from a "company not involved in the De
39 DCA-ROCguy : The RJs will likely do just that. They will be able to go into new and current markets where the 717s aren't pulling their weight in yields. You will
40 FlyPNS1 : AirTran is experiencing probably the same that Southwest is now; too many low fare passengers. Southwest has publicly stated they are seeing yields fa
41 Rumorboy : Its official now. Press Release Source: AirTran Airways AirTran Airways Announces New JetConnect Product New Regional Jet Service Launches November 15
42 Gr8SlvrFlt : It's official! Here's the press release: ORLANDO, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 26, 2002--AirTran Airways, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc. (NYSE
43 JmhLUV2fly : I work with AirTran and have not heard of this concept of AirTranExpress. AirTran is a discount carrier that provides service to cities that other lar
44 Gr8SlvrFlt : Notice that SAV is losing mainline service altogether and GSO and PNS are both having half their flights replaced by RJs. This ought to free up planes
45 FlyPNS1 : Well...Jmh it looks like you'll be working RJ's really soon as they're coming to PNS starting Nov. 15. I'm not surprised to see PNS be one of the firs
46 Srbmod : Air Wisconsin's going to be doing the service? They'll be doing flights for two airlines @ ATL; they currently do some United Express work as well.
47 JmhLUV2fly : I did indeed just check the AirTran website and it stated AirTran will be starting AirTran JetConnect November 15 to select cites including Pensacola
48 Srbmod : I guess it would be safe to assume that these planes will operate in AirTran colors? I don't think it would look right if the AirTran JetConnect plane
49 Azjubilee : This is very interesting that Air Wisc is the operating carrier. It is well known in the industry that Air Wisc is probably the best paid small airlin
50 FlyPNS1 : As I said before, my only concern is that AAI might be giving up marketshare to DL. In the case of PNS, AAI will lose 17 seats as they replace a 117 s
51 Ouboy79 : DCA-ROCguy said...The market situation in most AirTran markets, as far as I can tell, hardly justifies "cutting seat capacity in half." AirTran wouldn
52 Ouboy79 : Jmh said....do notice that AirTran is not actually purchasing the RJ's but rather, Air Wisconsin is operating the type for them. AirTran must have mad
53 Usairways85 : well it looks like they are only going to operate out of ATL. So much for PHL, PIT, key west, BWI.
54 Lowfareair : Right now it is just ATL. They will probably expand to BWI, and maybe to PHL. ATL-EYW could work eventually. I am slightly negative about it. The only
55 ScottysAir : Lowfareair, Right now ASA will be goes as for new nonstop from ATL-EYW flight by CRJ-700 as for 70 seaters by the first time history as for nonstop. I
56 Eric505 : What do you guys think about the possiblility of them adding CAE? Distant? Delta flies 7 times a day ATL - CAE, 2 with CRJ's. Do you think there is a
57 Rumorboy : I think this is just the beginning. I can guarantee you IF this works you will see BWI next. Lots of service was lost in BWI when Usair pulled out. Th
58 Usairways85 : yeah, well that doesn't hint at anything real particular. its common knowledge that Airtran will continue to expand from BWI to a few more cities, as
59 AirT85 : Maybe we might see these CRJs utilizing AirTran's D gates in Philly that they dont seem to be using that often! Ofcourse, after ATL and BWI. Tony
60 Usairways85 : yeah what i'm thinkin is that we'll see more destinations from ATL for now, maybe up to 5-8, while that's going on i can see maybe 1 or 2 new mainline
61 PSU.DTW.SCE : Interesting, interesting. Whats up with SAV? American Eagle just pulled the plug on them, USAirways is in the crapper. Its becoming RJ city down there
62 Jcxp15 : It'd be interesting to see if FL was to bring any CRJ's into LGA for some type of low-fare service. I dunno if they could get a lot of slots, but I gu
63 Jcxp15 : Also, is Air Wisconsin going to repaint some of its planes into an AirTran logo? It'd be kinda weird flying on an AirTran ticket, but then flying on a
64 Post contains links and images Lowfareair : AWAC will either have planes painted in FL colors(most likely), airWis colors(yes, they have a livery), or AirWis/FL on UA colors at first to see if i
65 HlywdCatft : What about MCO? Will they be flying out of there?
66 MAH4546 : airTran is being subsidized for intra-Florida routes, and so far, for almost a year now, all we have is MIA-TPA-TLH. The RJ operation certainly opens
67 ScottysAir : Really??!? Where did you hear this one as for opened it up for new nonstop from MIA-PNS flight by the first time ever. I'm guess that will be great as
68 UA744Flagship : No paint scheme issues to worry about. These aircraft WILL NOT be pulled from current UAX service. After all, UAX needs as many RJs as it can get (Sco
69 FlyPNS1 : If Airtran did launch any new RJ routes out of PNS....the smartest would be PNS-TPA. It's one of the top three O+D routes out of PNS and the only one
70 Gr8SlvrFlt : Looks like MKE will be part of the original RJ routes (crew positioning and maintenance perhaps) with one of three dailies to ATL. Here is this mornin
71 Ouboy79 : Oflove13 said....Thank god they are not going to get any of those P.O.S airbus's. i like air tran, why is it small airlines like airtran, jet blue, so
72 Oflove13 : when us air filed for ch 11 there was an article in usa today that showed most of there routes where they were losing most of there money from. it did
73 Ouboy79 : Well...I think many will survive, they will just be "right-sized" to current demand levels. They won't all look like AirTran or ATA...but they won't a
74 BR715-A1-30 : WOW!!!! I just got the press release yesterday. AirTran jetConnect opb by AIR WISCONSIN. What are the odds???
75 Travatl : Few things learned today.... The MKE service will be for crew repositioning and maintenance only. The aircraft (initially) will be painted in the full
76 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : Watch very closely what happens to US Airways and read some of the posts over on another aviation website that really has some good information about
77 Flyinryan99 : I've got mixed emotions about this....It's great for AirTran..but where was this about 5 months ago ;o) I have one question though. Who will be doing
78 Ouboy79 : Travis...thanks for correcting me. I couldn't remember when AirTran was formed by Mesaba, I just remember seeing them do charters to TPA & MCO from TO
79 JmhLUV2fly : Ryan, From what I read in the memo, I believe it was sent to all the stations, it stated that AirTran crewmembers ticket/gate and ramp agents will be
80 FlyPNS1 : It will be interesting to see if this RJ experiment works. Right now, the only "low-fare" carrier experimenting with RJ's is FRNT. It's hard to tell h
81 Srbmod : If this threatened lawsuit from AirTran's pilots is true, it could lead to the first scope clause for a low cost carrier. If some of the pilots are co
82 RJ : I just had to laugh when I read it was Air Wisky who got the contract. Hmmmm, they signed their pilot contract a few short weeks after we signed ours
83 J32driver : If you put 50 passengers on a 717 or 50 passengers on a CRJ, which is more cost effective? Thats not really that hard of a concept is it? The 1% pay d
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