CO 757 200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3404 times:
According to the rumor Joe has heard:
"and at least one city has turned a cold shoulder to FL's express venture."
FL has a reputation to serve cities which are shafted by the majors......I think downgrading 717 and D93's to CRJ's (especially on AAI) would be a recipe for backlash as they were started to maintain decent and reasonably fared service on routes that the majors underserved,and or overcharged.
Joe: Is AAI planning to cut their "mainline"(ie: D93 and/or 717) service to the one city that has given the cold shoulder,or is it possibly a new destination altogether that does not like the fact that FL is not making a full service inauguration to there? Admittedly, I haven't heard a peep about this,so this comes as a surprise to me.
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3372 times:
How about want made launches nonstop from ATL-EYW, MLB, HSV, BHM, MSY, BNA, CVG, CLE, ALB, MHT, BTV, PWM, AUS, SAT, CRP, CMH, DTW, CHS and more cities to do as for AirTran Express. Isn't should best way very good idea to do take with the new routes by anytime as near of the future. Thanks!!
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3331 times:
from the sounds of the original post,it sounds like this express operation would really be serving some focus cities throughout FL's route network rather than ATL, such as PHL, BWI, MDW, and of course the florida destinations. hopefully PHL will see a lot of these flts, they have plenty of gate space at PHL
well before i jump the gun i would really like to see this released by FL before i start getting to anxious about this.
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3257 times:
Difference between the CRJ -100 and -200 is merely range I believe since they both seat 50. The 40 seater is the -400/440.
CO 757 200> TOL is the city, I believe, Joe is talking about. From my understanding...shortly after AirTran announced the pull out from Toledo a decision was reached that would be the CRJs into the FL fleet towards the end of the year. Since they were routinely holding loads from 70-80%, filling a CRJ wasn't going to be a problem. They came back to the Port Authority to renegotiate a new lease and used the CRJs as the excuse for their "change of heart." Depending on who you talk to...they were either laughed out of TOL or told to "not let the door hit your ass on the way out." I'll attempt to get some more information on this.
Scotty suggested: ATL-EYW, MLB, HSV, BHM, MSY, BNA, CVG, CLE, ALB, MHT, BTV, PWM, AUS, SAT, CRP, CMH, DTW, CHS...as far as new cities. Some of these have already been tried by AirTran I, VJ, or AirTran II (Today's version). EYW, MLB, HSV, MHT, BTV seem more likely than any others listed. Most cities are already covered: CVG & CMH (DAY), CLE (CAK), DTW (FNT), etc. BHM and CVG were old FL/VJ cities that they will likely not go back into. Another big thing to keep in mind, they are going to want to keep stage lengths close to 500 miles or greater for cost reasons. CASMs are going to be much much higher than the 717s, even if they are code-sharing Mesa.
It almost appears AirTran may have a bit of an identity crisis right now. They can't really grow to new, profitable cities with the 717s due to range. There are only so many people flying right now that it will hurt LFs doing more point to point. Finally any of the really good cities left east of the Mississippi has either Southwest or another low fare carrier servicing it. It is interesting to see how they are going to try to mimmick Frontier a bit -- we'll see how it works.
As far as my picks for new cities...who knows. I wouldn't be shocked to see these go to ICT and other low performing cities (profit wise). Of course personally I wonder if they will come back to TOL, seeing they may have never wanted to leave to begin with. Bad blood takes awhile to calm down, but in the state of this industry -- the Port would almost be foolish to reject them. Of course, you don't want an airline flying to your hometown that won't promise a consistant service. Pax won't follow, especially business passengers, and you are going to end up with the low yeild bottom feeders. Would the 3rd time be the charm? I believe it would work -- DL has cut back some capacity to CVG with the CRJ redeployment and US is fairly weak right now. However, ATA has sucked up almost all low fare passengers thanks to brand recognition from the many years of people taking charters out to Vegas, Mexico, Florida, etc.
This should get interesting.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5486 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3102 times:
Yeah I also found this out last night, should be interesting too see. Don't know how long it will work though. What about that strong rumor of getting 737-800's for possible west coast expansion? I think they should focus on that first.
BH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3033 times:
AirTran already seems pretty regional to me. Perhaps they should think about heading west first.
As for possible cities, AirTran has been making a lot of losses to Wichita, but it may be because of their flight to Chicago Midway which offers only a few connecting flights. I hear Atlanta's doing fine.
Northwest Airlines - Some People Just Know How to Fly
: Yo Justin!! I'm guess that might AirTran want getting with the B737-800 or Airbus A319 by the west coast nonstop from ATL flight. I'm confused about a
: I think AirTran could give ASA/Comair some good competition with this, if it is true. I think if they do go ahead with this, some cities may see addit