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User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 6
Posted (12 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 1524 times:


Is HF still flying to Mombasa,and the West Indies ?

What are the other destinations to which it use its A310s ?

Thank you !!!

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User currently offlineSpotterboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1505 times:

Look at the website from Hapag Lloyd ( www.hlf.de ) or ( www.hapag-lloyd.com )

Maybe you will find more infos there.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

HF quit all long haul flights, their last oversea destinations were PUJ and POP but now is the 310 in use on popular routes within Europe (e.g. PMI or AYT).

Patrick

By the way: My first flight ever was on a HF 310, I have flown with my parents from DUS to MAH back in 1983. Wow, now I recognize that my first flight is almost 20 years ago.


User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

As much as I know the HLF A310 fleet is down to only 4 frames. As said before the A310 jumps in for routes that need the capacity.

Does HLF want to replace the A310's with further 738's?

Max


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

The A310-300s have gone (e.g., to ASA and Air Plus Comet) but they still operate the A310-200s on mid-hauls around the mediterranean. There has been some rumour going around that Boeing is targeting Hapag-Lloyd (and the other TUI airlineS) as launch customers for the B737-900X - but the B737-900X would only have 20 or so more seats than the -800s and would not be ideal replacement for an A310-200. We shall see.

User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

Just a question about German long-haul market:

Since German tourists are well known to travel a lot all around the world, in the winter I suppose they fly to exotic destinations like Caribbean, Thailand, Kenya and so on.
If Hapag-lloyd and others charters like Air Berlin and Aerolloyd don't have a long haul fleet, who controls the long-haul charter market??
Only Condor and LTU??



User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

After Britannia shut down its unsuccessful German long-haul branch operating two B767-300ER, the German holiday market (it is technically not a charter market, because the flights are scheduled ones and it is possible to individually book seats on them), has concentrated on LTU and Thomas Cook Airlines (unfortunately no barfing Smiley in the library, so just imagine one here instead) to provide long-haul capacity.

On some markets, there may be airlines from the destination countries also providing some capacity, e.g. Air Transat to Canada, but since the German public seems to to be reluctant to fly "unknown foreign" airlines, the market appeal of those competitors seems to be fairly limited.

Some tour operators also offer flights on "regular" airlines as part of an IT package. I remember that some use(d) Air France for flights to the popular Domincan Republic destination SDQ (connecting in CDG, so don't get exited about nonstop AF longhauls from Germany).



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

I was really surprise by German "leisure" long-haul market.

Here in Italy we have Volare, Air Europe, Eurofly, LaudaAir and Blue Panorama that with A332, B763 and B772 flying charters from MXP to all the world famous leisure destinations.



User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1348 times:


Sabena332,
Hapag-Lloyd took delivery of its first A310,D-AHLW,in 1988,and i guess your flight in 1983 was in one of its A300s.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

TS-IOR,

I am sure that it was an A 310 but I will ask my parents.

Patrick


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

@patrick: The very first Airbus A310-200 were delivered in spring 1983 (to LH and SR), so I doubt that you were on a HF Airbus A310-200 in summer 1983.

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1276 times:

It was an A 310, I just saw it on two pictures that my parents have taken at MAH shortly after we arrived there.

Patrick


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2601 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1262 times:
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Delivery dates of Hapag Lloyd A310s:
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D-AHLV - FEB 1988
D-AHLZ - MAR 1988
D-AHLW - APR 1988
D-AHLX - DEC 1988
D-AHLA - OCT 1989
D-AHLB - JAN 1990
D-AHLC - JAN 1992

Hapag Lloyd didn't take delivery of their first A310 until 1st February 1988 - they did have A300s in their fleet in 1983 though  Smile

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

Well, I assume that you flew with Hapag-Lloyd in 1983 for your summer holidays. In August 1983, 12 Airbus A310 had been delivered by Airbus to three airlines, Lufthansa (6), Swissair (3) and KLM (3). Another three were used as prototypes at that time (they later went to LH, SR and AF). This is the breakdown with d/ds:

D-AICB 09.03.1983
HB-IPA 25.03.1983
D-AICC 27.03.1983
D-AICD 27.03.1983
D-AICF 31.03.1983
PH-AGA 26.04.1983
PH-AGC 27.05.1983
HB-IPB 30.05.1983
D-AICH 01.06.1983
PH-AGB 17.06.1983
HB-IPC 28.06.1983
D-AICK 07.07.1983

The next new operator to take delivery of the A310 was Kuwait Airways, which accepted their first A310 in September. So whatever you were in, it was either not Hapag-Lloyd or an Airbus A310.....


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1245 times:

Guys, believe me, it is definitively an A 310. I saw it on the pictures (too bad that the reg. is not visible) and I know the difference between an A 300 and an A 310. Maybe HF has leased some A 310 in 1983?

Patrick


User currently offlineTouchdown99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

Just checked a couple of prod lists - HF did not lease any of the 12 existing A310-200 in 1983. First A310 in service with Hapag was D-AHLW, del. 4.1.88. Maybe it was in the summer of 1988.....  Wink/being sarcastic

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