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DC-10 Vs. L1011, Which One Would You Pick....  
User currently offlineDeltadude8 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 569 posts, RR: 4
Posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7898 times:

I was reading this book on Tri-Jets by Robbie Shaw and in the back of the book i found these stats, which kinda startled me, I want to know what you would take if you were the CEO of an airline now and had to pick a new L1011, or a new DC10?

Anyway here are the stats to help you come up with your answer:

DC-10 L1011

DC10-10 L1011-1
Wing Span 155ft 4in Same
Lenth 181ft 5in 117ft 8in
Height 58ft 1in 55ft 4in
Max. Pass. 380 400
Max TOW 410,000lbs 430,000lbs
Cruise 577mph 599mph
Max. Range 2350nm 2870nm

Last Version Produced

DC10-40 L1011-500
Wing Span 165ft 4in 164ft 4in
Lenth 182ft 1in 164ft 2in
Height 58ft 1in 55ft 4in
Max. Pass. 380 330
Max TOW 572,000lbs 496,000lbs
Cruise 573mph 605mph
Max. Range 4050nm 5260nm

Best Version in my opinion vs. its DC at the time

DC10-30 L1011-250
Wing Span 165ft 4in 155ft 4in
Lenth 182ft 1in 177ft 8in
Height 58ft 1in 55ft 4in
Max. Pass. 380 400
Max TOW 580,000lbs 510,000lbs
Cruise 564mph 605mph
Max. Range 4000nm 4520nm


Alright thats it....also CONSIDER THE SAFETY FACTOR...

DC10 crashes= 19

L1011 crashes= 5


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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7873 times:

Decisions. Decisions. Decisions. IMO, they're both excellant aircrafts for their time. The DC-10 Series 10 is one of my all-time favorite bird to fly on. I was totally comfortable in it as a passenger. And even tho, I've never flew on any L-1011s, it is a very elegant aircraft. No mistaking that low growl once the RR engines spools up. And the DC-10's GE chainsaw roar on take-off gave me goosebumps everytime. So, as CEO of an fantasy carrier, I'll take the DC-10-10 for the domestic routes, and the L-1011-500 for the international routes. What the hell...the original Pan Am flew both too.  Wink/being sarcastic Regards.


"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineWestjet_8 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7868 times:

First of all it was out sooner by a couple year then the Tristar


Canadian. RIP 1999
User currently offlineThumper From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7839 times:

As I only flew the DC-10 twice compared to flying the Tri-Star probably 50-60 times, I would choose the L-1011! Loved that bird! Now between FLL and ATL I get to fly the 767-400 which is great also!

User currently offlineFly_ATA From United States of America, joined May 2001, 616 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7787 times:

I have always liked the L1011.

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7763 times:

What about the MD-11?

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7756 times:

I will fly on the L-1011-500 model overseas anyday! I like the powerful quiet Rolls Royce RB211 series engines and the control surfaces on the wings that come up all the time during turbulence to stabilize the aircraft.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7746 times:

DC 10 all the way!!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineLemieux66 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 66 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7712 times:

I'm actually considering the age of the passenger trijets (727, dc-10, L1011 md-11 etc etc) as the topic of a paper im going to write for an aviation history class... Personally, I'd go with

1. MD-11
2. L1011
3. DC-10
4. 727


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7705 times:

Having been on both, I'd prefer the L1011 from the passenger's view.

But you asked, what we would choose as airline CEO, and there I don't have any clue, as I would need more infos regarding operating costs and such.

BTW, my last flights on one of them were on the following birds:

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Gerardo



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User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7694 times:

Those crash statistics mean zip because there were allot more DC-10's made than L1011'S.

Just from what i've heard, the L1011's avionics were way ahead of their time. L1011 economic and payload/range performance were also generally better, or so Ive heard.

But Lockheed was marketing an orphan - they did not have any narrowbody or any other A/C type to complement it. And they were a newcomer to the commercial jet business. There were allot of delays/overruns with development of both the airframe and the engine. McDonald-Douglas planes had a much better maintenance and customer support/sales infrastructure behind them.


User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7683 times:

The L1011, of course! It beats the DC10 wings-down ... cheaper to operate; more fuel efficient, the RB211-524B4 is marginally Stage IV compliant whereas the CF6 only just scrapes into Stage III; the aircraft is considerably more advanced than the DC10 (especially the -500 with its AFCS and Active Wing); it's probably the best designed and built widebodied aircraft ever.

On the other hand, the MD11 was an awful aircraft. Badly designed, it has very poor handling characteristics which have led to a significantly high number of crashes for identical reasons (think FedEx, China Airlines etc). SQ dropped it when it didn't measure up to its design performance.


User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7683 times:

I read a book some time ago....do not remember the name.It talked how Douglas and Lockheed went into develop aircrafts for the same purpose......it was a great coincidence that when the two designs were revealed...the planes were almost identical....it talked how during the 1970's when airlines had to make a choice which way to go...the engineers on the panel would always heavily favor the L-1011 Tristar.....Cloudy is right...there main problem was that they were marketing an orphan otherwise the Tristar was probably a superior plane.
Personally....i have found the Tristar to be one awesome looking plane...the engine in the back and how its molded.integrated into the tail just looks so amazing and muscular....i remember flying a BA L-1011 in 1989 from London-Kuwait-Karachi....one of the best flights i have had im my life


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7660 times:

It is too bad that Lockheed will not go back into the commerical aircraft business and market a new advanced version of their L-1011 with FBW systems, digital two man cockpit, and engine options like the RB211, PW4000, and GE CF6 series.

User currently offlineGaruda From Indonesia, joined Nov 2000, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7618 times:

Are the range data correct? I'm pretty sure that Lockheed developed the Tristar -500 in order to compete to DC-10 series 30 and 40 since the previous Tristar models lacked in the range performance... But the data shown above showed a different thing...

JA


User currently offlineMeechy36 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7605 times:

The L-1011 had 2 crashes, the Eastern one in the Everglades and Delta at DFW. Saudi had some bad luck in 1980 when one of their L-10's cargo hold caught fire, however the plane landed safely and taxied, the other one was where a tire burst at cruise altitude and 2 passengers were ejected from the aircraft. A Sri Lanken one had a bomb explode while on the ground killing 16 people.
Granted the L-1011 had a production run of only 250 aircraft but in 30 years of flying to have only 2 crashes that is something.

Mike-BOS


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7590 times:

According to a movie I saw back in the 80s, the cause of the crash of Eastern Flt 401 was because the flight crew was not paying attention to the altimeter after the auto pilot quit during their approach into MIA. The flightcrew was focusing on a burned out light bulb on the instrument panel for the front landing gear.

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7586 times:

The Delta crash at DFW was caused by windshear and not from a mechancal defect on the L-1011.

User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7570 times:

Not one L1011 has ever crashed due to a design fault ... unlike the DC10 and MD11.

User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8546 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7568 times:
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Having flown numerous DC-10's,a mix of -10,-30 and -40 and having only had 2 L-1011-500 flight's - i'd go for the L-1011.

It was so much smoother in flight than the D10,and from a passengers point of view it just felt right.

The L-1011-500 flight were many years ago when DL flew MIA-LGW-MIA,flight no's were DL98 and DL99,both manchines were x Pan Am - N755DL,N756DL.

I think that's right,I can't access my flight log at the moment.

Rgds

BA319-131



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User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1384 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7559 times:

The L1011 is was and is a great aircraft.


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User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7558 times:

I have never been on an L1011 but still I think I would prefer the DC10-10 or the DC10-30.


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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7543 times:

deltadude8,
how many DC-10's were made compared to the L-1011?


i would take the DC-10 anyday.


ual 777 contrail


User currently offlineCaptain.md-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

I only got to fly on one DC-10, a UA DC-10-10 from KSEA to KORD. That was my favourite flight of all time. Unfortunately I never managed to get on an L1011, so I would have to choose............................... BOTH!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13208 posts, RR: 77
Reply 24, posted (11 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7510 times:

BA loved the Tristar, though the effects of the 1991 Gulf War hastened the aircraft's retirement, and the early 80's recession saw the -500's go after a couple of years (to the RAF as tanker/transports where they still serve), but in 1985 a couple of -500's were leased from Air Lanka for a time, (I've a pic somewhere of one of these with the 4th engine pod in use, ferrying a RB211).
Great aircraft, the cockpit was known as 'The gentleman's Office'.
I flew on them a couple of times, I've been on a CO DC-10 in 1990.




25 Post contains images DC-10 Levo : Never liked the L1011, and just by looking at my name, I think i'll choose the DC-10! DC-10
26 Post contains links and images BWIA 772 : I think that if the L1011 programme did not have a problem with the engine developement or what ever it was that hindered the programme that Lockheed
27 Airblue : I flew both planes few years ago with International Airways and Peach Air, two charters from UK, and even if both planes were old and with an high den
28 AFC_ajax00 : A modernized and upgraded L-1011 would be really cool, I agree. New avionics, engines and maybe a stretch as well.
29 FlagshipAZ : 386 DC-10s were assembled, plus another 60 KC-10s for the USAF. 250 L-1011s were produced. Numbers for Ual777contrail. Regards.
30 UALrampORD : I would take the DC-10 over the L-1011 in a heartbeat. Although I am a fan of the L-1011 also. UALrampORD
31 Pilottim747 : Unfortunately, I only got to fly on a L1011 once, on Delta from ATL-MCO. I don't remember much because it was a while ago. I will admit it was quite a
32 Lubcha132 : hands down the L-1011.
33 Post contains images N751PR : Most likely the L1011 but both are cool (hey I'm a fan of Trijets! plus they were built in the same county!)
34 Heavymetal : Playing the role of a CEO today, I'd pick the DC-10. No contest. There are more of them flying, along with a generous amount of parts out there, espec
35 Trintocan : TriStar all the way, again I am a fan of the BWIA birds. I have flown them 11 times, several on the long POS-LHR route. Very smooth and comfortable pl
36 Max Q : BWIA772 Totally agree with your approval of the Wonderful, unsurpassed L1011, just for your info all 767's have the inward and upward L1011 type doors
37 Ual777contrail : heavymetal, fedex's dis of the AA machines? thanks, flagshipaz ual 777 contrail
38 Post contains images SAS23 : I think he means dismantling, not disrespect!
39 Post contains images Lindy field : Regarding L-1011 accidents... What about the TWA L-1011 crash at JFK? See photos below:
40 SAS23 : Rejected takeoff due to spurious warning - aircraft way overweight, was slammed back on the ground, split the fuel tank and whoosh!
41 Post contains images Heavymetal : I think he means dismantling, not disrespect! What's the difference!?
42 Post contains images Hmmmm... : "...the other one was where a tire burst at cruise altitude and 2 passengers were ejected from the aircraft" No such accident occured. There was an a
43 FDXmech : L1011's are as rare as hens teeth, and for quite some time. That tells me something. The DC10 was and still is relevant to the commercial air fleets.
44 BWIA 772 : Because an airline might be more advance than its competitors that does not mean that the airline would be the market leader. The Tristar is a reliab
45 Post contains images Boeing nut : Hmmmm, Nice picture!! I thought you were going to make a sucking reference with the picture. Flight attendant, engine intake, eehhhhh, nevermind. LOL
46 BR715-A1-30 : Because it is such a beautiful and Graceful Aircraft, I would choose...............The......DC--No no no. L-1011
47 Ejaymd11 : FDXmech when people talk about how much more advanced the L1011 I would just pay them no attention. You made the points I've alway wanted to make but
48 TEDSKI : Hmmmm, I agree totally that the flight attendents that flew in the L-1011 are sexy!!! Love those long legs!!!
49 BWIA 772 : I guess if some one comes and tell me that the 767-400 and the 717 are advacne aircrafts one should ignore them as well. I think when people say that
50 Post contains images SAS23 : FDXmech nearly got it right. The DC10 has a Cat 3B autoland; the L1011 has a Cat 3C one ... in fact it was the first widebody to be so certified. (0/0
51 Zebfly2 : I would definitely choose the L-1011. It's ride was so smooth and as stated earlier by Trintocan, the nose up cruise is a different experience.
52 Post contains links and images Sayem55 : My choice is DC-10 …… View Large View MediumPhoto © Johan Ljungdahl
53 Bragi : L-1011 is a superior plane, both from pilots and engineering perspective. It has also excellent safety record, compared to DC-10´s and MD-11´s. Unli
54 Post contains images Deltadude8 : Thanks to everyone's response.....Didn't think I would get this many people involved...I would choose the TriStar, L-1011, TRITANIC anyday....Wonderfu
55 CV990 : Hi! I had the chance to fly both. Here are my flights: L1011 Airline: TWA Flights: JFK/SJU, SJU/MIA, MIA/STL, STL/LAX, LAX/JFK and JFK/LIS Models: L1
56 Post contains images Lehpron : Well I like that the DC-10/MD-11 has those highly swept back wings (near 45-degree?), but then I love the L-ten's top engine intake and the fact that
57 Farman : I would always choose the L1011 if I had a choice. I have flown these aircraft on many occasions when CX had a fleet - they gave passengers that 'warm
58 FDXmech : SAS23: FDXmech nearly got it right. The DC10 has a Cat 3B autoland; the L1011 has a Cat 3C one ... in fact it was the first widebody to be so certifie
59 SAS23 : FDXMech - yes, lots of airlines used Cat 3C: BA, Cathay, TAP, BWIA ... On the AFCS side, what you have said is true except the L1011 goes well beyond
60 FDXmech : In regards to the 4th hydraulic system on the L1011, it is apparent, at least to me that its main purpose is to supply the stabilizer. To make it seem
61 Post contains images SAS23 : FDXmech, AA Chicago (191?) happened a long time before UA232 ... The L1011 could quite easily have managed on three hydraulic systems - one of the pri
62 Post contains images JAL : I prefer the MD-11 But since the choice is between the DC10 and L1011, I choose the DC10
63 Post contains images FDXmech : FDXmech, AA Chicago (191?) happened a long time before UA232 ... The L1011 could quite easily have managed on three hydraulic systems - one of the pri
64 Rootsgirl : Having worked as a crewmember on both types - give me the L-1011 anyday. Stats and facts don't lie. The Tristar is a fantastic aircraft.
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