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Air Transat 777?  
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

Hello folks, just heard a little tidbit today which I found interesting. Air Transat is looking at 777's, since there are a few sitting in the desert right now, and need a home! I also heard that they are not happy with the A310's because the fuel burn is 5% higher than what Airbus promissed. Another thing is, Air Transat may be interested in 757's (non ER) for domestic or southern routes.

What's my take on this? Seems fishy to me all in all. I really don't expect to see Air Transat 777's flying around, especially since they have A330's. They are probably trying to pressure Airbus to get better deals for more A330's. Where does that leave the 757? They are getting rid of the ones they have now, but replacing them with non ER models seems like a backwards step.

Don't take this as fact, because there's probably no truth at all to it, but I'm wondering if anybody else has heard anything else about Air Transat?


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

I would think the 757-300 would fit well into their "Sunshine" flights, (ie Florida, Carribean etc).


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User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Actually I think its 767's and 777's that they are looking at and it will be a complete airbus replacement...I.e. A330's and 310's Right now its more a rumour then anything else, but the word is that Boeing is giving them a good deal, and the airplanes seem to fit in very well...I would think that this would also mean that the 757's will not be phased out...

In other news, jetsgo will be flying 5 aircraft by the end of this year and have one spare, as opposed to the original plan of only 4 aircraft total...

Good news all around...looks like boeing is trying to get some more business out of us Canadians...  Smile



"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

I think that the 321 would fit into their florida run nicely....and what crack are you smoking Captaingomes, or do you have a leak in you exahust?

I don't think that you can really be the 767 for their routes...as we saw last night, they have to keep using the L1011's it makes sense, they are paid for!!!

Maybe if TS got some old 762's or something like that at a good deal and the cost of flying was good.....but i don't see a 777 cost and what they get for a ticket feaseable?

Grant



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User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

Grant, Im sure Boeing is matching the 330 lease for the 777 leases for transat, and that 767-300 is actually a great airplane for thinner international sharter. C3 was strongly considering a number of times in its history, and the airplane would probably do very well, and cost about half as much as an L1011 to operate even if the L10 is owned out right, not to mention that the 76 is economical on a YYZ-YUL or a YYZ-FRA. Both are used by charter carriers all over Europe, and seeing as how Transat mimicks European charters in a number of ways I think the planes would be great...

That said I still think it is all rumour and nothing will come of it...



"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

Hey Slawko, you are the man when it comes to aircrafts, it just seems that the 777 is very expensive, if TS gets some, why hasn't AC replaced 67's with 777???

How about this, if when AC was getting rid of the L10's (the ones that TS has now!!!) the 777 was available and proven to be a good aircraft like it has been proved today, do you think that we would see the 777 in AC colours???

Grant



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User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

I heard that the 777 was too expensive for AC. Also, AC are going for an almost all Airbus fleet.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

so how many can ts get in the 777?


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User currently offlineMarrrty From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

"....so how many can ts get in the 777?"

600-700 pax


User currently offlineSkywatcher From Canada, joined Sep 2002, 464 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

Now that the Cdn.$ has stabilized and may strengthen I think the Boeings are becoming more attractive fot TS.

User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

So you are saying that TS can put 600-700 passengers in that aircraft with all or mostly crammed seating.....and then what 15 or so TS Plus seating??

Where are they going to get all of the passengers???

Grant



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

With U.S. Airways' and the AA (TWA) 767-200s being on the market, it could be possible to get them at a good price. As for the 777, perhaps Delta could lease the two out to Air Transat since they tried to get SAA to lease the two that Delta doesn't need at this time?

User currently offlineMarrrty From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

They'll just keep cancelling flights to FLL, or MAN for a few days until they get the #'s needed to fill the 777. Then, Capt. Piche will take over.....

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

AC has not replaced 767's with 777's because they are built do do completly different jobs...the 777 is more of an A330/340 competitor, and it makes more sence to have the 330/340 family for AC because of fleet comonality..


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

What about the A300 for TS, that is a bigger aircraft, but apparently they don't like the A310 so that means that they will no like the A300??

Is AA gettin rid of them???

Grant



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User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Gmonney - the A300 would be a step backwards for Transat. The problems with the A310 would only be carried over.


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

I don't believe this rumour. TS has made a major commitment to Airbus by adding the A330 & A310. It's more than just lease rates....it's also training, parts, etc.

The success of TS is due to cost minimization. A fleet rollover from Airbus to Boeing would be very expensive right now. The 777 is selling very well....Boeing does not need to make deals with charter carriers to sell the 777. Indeed, the 777 is arguably the most capital intensive new aircraft (after the 744).....TS could ill-afford the lease payments on a 772.

I was surprized at the draw-down of the 752 fleet.....this remains the most cost effective aircraft in the TS fleet on a per-seat basis. Although it makes sense in light of the Airbus rollover.

I'm sure that TS will stick with Airbus now.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Remember, Air Transat would most likely NOT want the -ER variant. The 777-200A would be considerably easier to aquire. And with an operating cost about equal to that of the 333 and a higher seating capacity, the 772A would be a great choice.

User currently offlineAF-A319 From France, joined Oct 1999, 603 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 2480 times:

Hey

Have you any article proving that TS is not happy with their A310s? When these a/c were introduced to their fleet, it was not a natural choice, but their low cost and the availability made them attractive to TS.

I remember having chatted with a TS pilot explaining that the Company was very happy with them? Why and when did it change?


AF-A319, live from the building opposite to Air Transat Headquarter in Montreal  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

I think they should think about investing on some 717's.
Although it would be nice to see a former MD designed plane which isnt the DC9 or the MD80, the 717 too has some significant drawbacks which TS may not be interested in.. Ah well, just my thoughts. AirTran have like 40 and they seem to enjoy using em big time.

I feel puzzled that they are looking at the 777. And downgrading its 757ER to 757 Regular?! They may as well take off the Rolls Royce engines and replace them with Pratt n Whitneys.
To my last check, TS has only 2 757s remaining in their fleet.
C-GTSN, C-GTSJ.

Ooh, I didn't know they got a fourth A330 plane?! C-GPTS.
When was this added to their fleet?
I better start hunting for this new addition.



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User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

It was added not too long ago....june maybe, it was a welcome addition to the fleet i am sure. I think that for charters the 330 has everything they need......GREAT GLIDING CAPABILITIES!!!

Grant



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User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Ever stop to wonder if Airbus might have considered the (remote) possibility of someone running out of gas mid-flight when they were disigning those long-azz wings for the 330/340 (heh heh)

aw


User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

What the hell are they going to use 717's for? This a charter airline. Where are they going to put them?

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Their 3rd 332 (and 4th 330) was delivered new from Airbus in May.

The 772 would have a higher operating cost (based on higher lease payments). The sole 333 operated by TS is a relatively early model 333 and hence would be cheaper to lease than a new 772.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2156 times:
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This all sounds a little odd.

To state that the fuel burn is 5% more than than Airbus promised is unlikely,the A310-300 has been flying for some year's now, so it's not as if it's a brand new plane and 'Airbus claim the fuel burn will be XYZ based on computer models'.

The 777 is not a 'charter airline'plane,it's way too expensive to operate for charter airlines,given their RPK and risk's involved.

The one and only charter operator(Air Europe), is looking to get rid of their 2 777-200's and replace them with A330-200's.

Just my 2 cents

Rgds

BA319-131



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25 Captaingomes : I do agree with your comments, BA, but I'm just relaying what I've heard, and from numerous sources. If anything happens, it would more likely be gett
26 BA319-131 : I would agree that replacing the A310's with 767's would makes sense. The 767 is a better aircraft for Transatlantic op's(for example). The A310 has a
27 Yyz717 : TS is still planning on disposing of their 2 remaining 752's, in fall 2003. A fleet rollover to Boeing (as much as this Boeing fan would like it!) is
28 Donder10 : They seem rather comitted to the 332/3 at the moment.How many of their L1010s still fly?
29 Yyz717 : TS has 9 L10's in service. The 6 L15's are used on reg charters. The remaining 3 L10's are used primarily for backup. Typical routes for the L15 from
30 Rootsgirl : Transat just got another new A330. Why would they suddenly switch their fleet accumulation in mid gear and get a triple 7? My bud who works for Transa
31 Post contains images Tristar2000 : When I worked for Air Transat, I heard that when they had to make that choice a few years back, company officials had to choose between either Airbus
32 Post contains images Donder10 : Cheers YYZ717, the L1011 is becoming increasingly rare at LGW too now
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