Yvr74 From Canada, joined Sep 2002, 52 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2114 times:
I have flown all my life on various US carriers, and with my 6'2" frame with long legs, it has been a point of irritation to me how many passengers leave their seats reclined during meal service. As it is, I already have my knees jammed into the seat in front of me, and it makes handling a food tray almost impossible. I reached a point several years ago where I simply began declining meal service because it was more miserable than being a bit hungry.
I assumed this just came with the coach territory, so it was to my complete surprise and delight when I flew on Air Canada for the first time on an evening and overnight flight from YVR to YYZ that the flight attendants made a public announcement that all seatbacks would need to be put forward during meal service. I noticed that not all passengers complied but that the FAs would make a personal request to these individuals down the lines of "Can you please put your seatback up; the person behind you needs room to eat."
I thought that was the greatest thing. Was that a one time deal with some great flight attendants or is standard practice with many airlines around the world? I can't speak for all of them, but definitely some US airlines need to wake up and smell the proverbial coffee on that one!
America West From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2100 times:
I'm 6'2" also and I know how irritating and uncomfortable it is to sit behind someone who has the seat reclined, not only during meal service, but any time. I was on a Delta 737-300 in July and I sat behind this 10 year old girl, who was not only constantly moving the seat back, but she was also constantly moving the armrest up and down, causing it to jam into my knees.
When I asked her to stop, she did. In my opinion, if you're not sleeping, keep your seat back in the upright position.
Mbmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2082 times:
I have never experienced it on any of the carriers I've flown on, although I wish they would enforce such a rule.
In fact, I wish that airlines would get rid of reclining seats altogether in coach. Seat pitch is so minimal anyway, that the angle of recline that is achievable fails to provide any benefit to the passenger.
By the way, it will interest you that Miss Manners has weighed in on this issue. She asserts that it is only "polite" to recline one's seat AFTER meal service and ONLY on night flights or flights of a duration where the cabin is encouraged to sleep.
Fpdonald From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2060 times:
BCal . . . the 80s [sigh]
We always, out of courtesy to the person seated behind them, 'suggested' that the passengers upright their seats for the duration of a meal service. A deft but firmly placed finger, eye contact, and a warm smile aided the compliance row by row, and often without knowledge.
I honesty don't think that most, OK many, folks really think about how their actions - however unintended - inconvenience another passenger. Seat reclining seems to be somewhat of a knee-jerk reaction soon after boarding. Given the scant nature of cabin service, in the present climes, the request should be so much easier to digest.
Hey, how about we go a step further and upright seats for a drinks service! Please!
Spyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1969 times:
While I've never heard a cabin annoucement before concerning upright seats, I have on Air Canada witnessed FA's several times ask people to put their seats up. The funniest was when my brother's recline didn't work, and his seat always reclined. The FA's began getting quite annoyed until they realized the seat was defective.
Boyshane From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1936 times:
Try being stuck in the middle seat of a Northwest DC-10 during meal service with a seat reclined in front of you.
A few years ago I flew on NW from DTW-LGW and we got in the middle row 5 seats and I was dead in the middle. In front of us were a group of annoying school kids in front of us that were loud and obnoixous. During the entire flight, even meal service, the girl in front of me had her seat back. I ate my dinner that night with my forehead againts the back of the seat trying to get over my tray to eat my food. Sometimes it's not only the leg room that's a pain in the butt. Now I know to pre-reserve a seat.
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 7306 posts, RR: 78
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1876 times:
Sorry, but I'm one of those who WANTS my seat to recline. Sitting 14hrs without a recline is murder.
It's a great invention those meal trays that you can pull down and then pull towards you. I just wish more pax appreciate it.
I almost got picked up by security at a destination once when a pax joining a flight for 1hr whacked me on the head for putting my seat back and a huge punch up almost occured (20 insomniac long haulers vs. 1 annoying short haulers who's been shouting for beers too!). But I already had been awake for 28hrs from the previous segment and connections. So... I want to recline my seat.
HOWEVER, if the person behind me is a tall person, I'd take that into consideration. I'd put my seat back gently, and not when he's eating. As long as he doesn't whack my head, I'd consider him. Coz I know what it's like being stuck in a seat with broken down recline and the only way to sleep is put your head on the meal tray, and then the person in front keeps putting his/her seat back and forth!
If a 6footer sits behind me, I take his situation into account. But if a little person behind me don't want me to recline my seat because he/she don't like it and he/she reclines his/her seat... There's something wrong.
Once I had an argument with a pax about seat recline. She was sitting behind me, and was very rude about my reclining, but, she'd already said to the pax behind her, "If you don't want me to recline my seat, fine another seat!" Now this kind of pax shouldn't even be allowed to board!
I wish more pax would take into consideration the situation others... It's a 2 way thing. If the person behind you is tall, recline slowly and not during meals. If he/she asks kindly, comply if you can... you tall guys know what I mean... I've sat next to an over 6 footer in agony sitting in the middle seat once... I offered to swap my aisle seat for his... his legs extended, he slept like a baby and was thankful on landing...
I just hope more shorties like me are considerate
Hope no one got insulted...
When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
Indian_flyboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1857 times:
Well stop complaining all you short guys I am 6ft 4 and weigh about 200 pounds .I find it amusing thinking about how I manage to sit in the coach seats . I have always requested for the emergency exit and with my brilliant luck got them only about 10% of the times.
I was flying SFO-HKG and this nice man in front of me decided to recline his seat and fall asleep before the meal service , the F/A did just about everything she could to wake him up short of whacking him on his head , he won't budge .The fun part , it wasn't even his seat . He had boarded with his wife and the aisle seat was empty ,so the wife sits on the window seat , the husband movesto the aisle seat and both go to sleep. I had requested the F/A to move me if the seat was still empty. I could not move because these 2 decided to sleep peacefully. I really dont know how in the world I went thru that meal service , believe me it is annoying . I do not appreciate some one putting back a seat during meal service , it is alright any other time , you paid for it and you deserve it but not during meal service.
There have been several nice people as well who have actually interchanged seats with me including a gentleman who came to me and said you deserve this emergency exit more than I do , and I could not have been more thankful . But once in a while you do run into these complete idiots .
Yvr74 From Canada, joined Sep 2002, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1738 times:
I'm probably a bit too sensitive on the issue, just because it's been such a huge inconvenience to me with my height, but I generally take a look who is behind me and unless it's a toddler or a child, I don't recline the seat.
Although I don't agree with all Mandala499 said, I would agree that it would be a bit much not to recline a seat during a long haul flight. However, I still have no sympathy for persons who recline during meal service. Those trays that Mandala says can be pulled out work fine unless like in my case when you try to pull them out your legs are higher than the resting position of the tray and it sits at funny angles on your legs and you end up not being able to put your drink on it and having to hold your food tray to keep it from falling off.
B-707 From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 497 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1718 times:
I'm a bit like Yrv74. I do not recline my seat ever. I do not like it, so would not do it to others.
Last month on a 5 hour flight I had a window seat behind three teenagers. Their seats were fully reclined right after take off and stayed that way. During the meal service they had to lean forward because they couldn't reach their trays. The girl directly infront of me made a habit of throwing her hair back (right over the seat) Not my fault it got covered with food. She wasn't happy, but reclined her seat forward just in case. I also wedge my knees into the back of their seat until they ask what my problem is. This gives me the opportunity to tell them about the damned reclined seat. Works every time.
BWIrwy4 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1676 times:
I never recline my seat. There are two reasons for this. Partly it's out of consideration for the person behind me. But also, the seat back typically only comes to shoulder level on me, so the head rest becomes a very effective neckbreaker. Not very comfortable.
And I'm like Airsicknessbag also. The seat in front of me doesn't recline either. It's a killer on the knees though.
Il75 From Argentina, joined May 2001, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
Lufthansa has a very nice and effective practice.
This is what I have seen (and been thankful for) during my trips to and from Latin America:
The FA ask gently those who have reclined theirs seats to put them up as they are serving the meals and forwarding the trays. No announcements made. Just a friendly reminder when you get your food. It works very well.
Boeingrulz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 519 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1592 times:
Sitting with the seat reclined a bit is acutually worse for your back than sitting sraight up. Sitting str8 up puts your weight over your hips, wich is how we bipeds are ment to carry our weight. If you are not a biped, then by all means continue to recline -
Seriously, it is anoying to sit behind someone who is reclined. It violates your personal space, it makes it very hard to get in and out of your seat, and next to impossible to eat. For short flights, keep that seat up.
Emirates747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1542 times:
What is even more annoying than a seat reclined during meal service is if the person in front of you keeps reclining and un-reclining while you are trying to watch the PTV... As soon as you get the picture to look right again, the guy in front of you decides to change the angle of his seat! Enough to make you just want to sleep through the whole flight!