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Oddball Aircraft Your Favorite Airline Almost Had  
User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1662 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

I found the earlier thread about oddball aircraft different airlines have flown to be quite entertaining. How about aircraft that have been ordered by various airlines but for whatever reason were not taken up? Here are a couple to start with:

Western Airlines 767-200s - the order was cancelled in favor of more 737-300s. They would have complemented Delta's fleet nicely after their merger, and would have looked great in Western's white/red livery. However, at the time Western was going toward the silver image, so I'm not sure how good they would have looked in that scheme.

Trans World Airlines A318s.

Pan Am A320s - ordered but never delivered. Some of these went to Braniff III.

Braniff I green 747 - Braniff did operate the 747 type, but all the ones that made it into their fleet were orange. Supposedly there was a green one that made it to the delivery line at Boeing but got routed to another airline at the last minute due to Braniff's financial situation.

Continental 767-300s - I visited Boeing in 1995 and saw a Continental 767-300 on the delivery line. This order was subsequently cancelled and the aircraft were transferred to other operators - I believe Vietnam Airlines got some of these. To this day Continental hasn't operated the 767-300.

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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3180 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Northeast had L1011's on order


14 year airliners.net vet! 2000-2013
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Sabena took an option for the Concorde!!

Sad we never saw flying one for Sabena  Crying

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Continental also had A340s on order.

American had more MD-11s on order..... I know, I know, it doesn't count, but I really like the MD-11 so I thought I'd throw it in there.

Let's see...

Pick an airline, and paint a concorde in their livery- almost everyone (American, Delta, Continental, Braniff) had orders for them. Singapore too!

USAir 777. They wanted them, but due to their.... entangling alliances with Airbus and Boeing they stuck with bus and got A330s. Which, by the way, are awesome planes- flew one to Rome and back.

TWA wanted 777s too, rumor had it, but let's face it.

That's all I can think of.

Randy


User currently offlineBrianhames From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

Alaska Airlines had an order for one 747-100. That would have been interesting.

User currently offlineKuba74 From Poland, joined Mar 2000, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

LOT ordered 737-800 back in 1996, but now it seems LOT cancelled it and will probably purchase Fokker 170 planes.

User currently offlineKuba74 From Poland, joined Mar 2000, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

...and will probably purchase Fokker 170 planes

I meant Embraer 170
my mistake,sorry
Kuba







User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Western had 3 747-147s on order, but were cancelled in favor of the DC-10.
American had the Boeing 2707 supersonic airliner on order, but we all know the aircraft was never built, so I guess that doesn't count. Another interesting topic.  Wink/being sarcastic I'll be back with some more 'oddball almosts'. Regards.



"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineCanadi>n From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

I have an old CP Air inflight magazine (Ka'na'ta) with a 767-200 in full CP Air colours on the "Fleet" page. Also, one of Wardair's annual reports had a picture of the MD-87's or 88's that Wardair was going to order to use on their thinner scheduled domestic routes.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

Here are a few oddballs that the airliners never got:

Boeing 727-300--essentially a stretched 727-200, the plane was designed to UA specifications but was never built.

Boeing 727-200 with two PW2037 engines--it was pitched to UA and DL but instead both airlines favored the 757-200.

Boeing 7J7 propfan airliner--DL had interest in buying the plane but in the end the project was shelved, which led to the development of the Next-Generation 737.


User currently offlineJsmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

I have seen a pic/artist's rendition of a Qantas MD-80 in their gold stripe/flying kangaroo colours.

At AWAS, we also had a large model of an Ansett (Australia) MD-90 and B757 in their shooting stars colours of the 1980s.


User currently offlineJvW From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2562 times:


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User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6615 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Cathay were due to take DC10s because of a special deal that GE was offering on the engines. Later, Cathay found that the offer was for one aircraft only, and not an entire fleet, so we got Tristars instead.

I also know that Dragonair had 3 MD11s on order. These were for services to London and other long-haul destinations. Dragonair was promptly bought by Cathay and the order cancelled.

I think I remember something about British Caledonian ordering MD11s as well, which never materialised.

ZAS Airline Of Egypt ordered one MD11, but it was never delivered.

Zambia Airways odered one MD11 but it was never delivered.

Viasa had 2 MD11s on order but these were also cancelled.

Nigeria had one MD11 on order but was cancelled.

Minerve of France had 2 MD11s on order, but these were cancelled when AOM merged with Minerve.

AOM had 4 MD11s on order but these were dropped when AOM merged with Minerve.

JAT of Yugoslavia had 3 MD11s on order but were cancelled.

China Southern had a LOI for 6 MD11s which never materialised and they bought 777s instead.

Air Zaire had 2 MD11s on order but these were cancelled due to financial losses.

Air Europe had signed for an order of 6 MD11s with 12 options and further agreed to lease 2, but with the demise of the company, so went the orders.

Aero Lloyd had ordered 2 MD11s for long-haul charter ops, but these were cancelled when they decided not to fly longhaul.



User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Singapore Airlines signed an LOI for 20 MD11s, but it was cancelled in favour of the A343, which is now being disposed of in favour of the 777!



User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

The reason why SIA cancelled the M11 order was due to its poor performance. I have a picture of a MD11 in SIA's new livery in a 1992 SIA Outlook magazine.

SIA actually wanted to operate SIN-CDG non-stop, and MDD mentioned that the M11 could fly to CDG non-stop. When it came out, however, the range was not up to SIA's specifications, so it was cancelled and replaced it by the A340.

However the A340 was a very poor climber, although it had the range, so SIA put back the 744 on the CDG route and began to gradually replace the A343 with the 772ER aircraft, as it had better climb performance and was faster.

SIA currently has 5 A340s left in the fleet, out of the original 15. 2 went to Cathay Pacific(9V-SJA,9V-SJB) as B-HXM and B-HXN. 4 went to Khalifa(two were actually supposed to go to Air Switzerland but it never materialised, so they went to Khalifa) and 4 are currently being marketed by Boeing.

SIA A340-313E
1996-2001

9V-SVA



9V-SVA | B772ER
User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Northwest with A340s and A330-200s (they are getting A330-300s next year though)

Mesaba Saab 2000


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

Stacks of airlines lined up to take options on Concorde - I believe Iran Air and Braniff were among them.

User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

El Al Israel Airlines.

During the 70's the airline had a great interest in the supersonic Boeing 2707 and even placed 2 options for that aircraft. However, The airliner wasn't eventually build.

In 2 tenders over the 90's, LY was thinking of getting the A32X family into service, the A346 and A332.
The most serious thoughts were for the A332, where LY was certain to buy 3-4 of it, but then the Middle East crisis had begun, add to that some political pressures and LY didn't order the a/c after all.

Israir.

The airline was scheduled to get into service 2 A320s exactly 2 years ago, this was supposed to be the 1st ever operation of an Airbus a/c by an Israeli airline.

Arkia.

The airline was thinking seriously of operating Saab2000s instead its aging DHC-7s, Crossair even brought a sample to Israel, so Arkia was able to learn about it...
Also, the airline was considering the DHC-8-400Q to replace the DHC-7s, but chose in the end the ATR72 family.

Michael


User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

9V-SVA,

From my sources here is the status of the fifteen aircraft SIA ordered.

9V-SJA - Sold to Cathay Pacific as B-HXM
9V-SJB - Sold to Cathay Pacific as B-HXN
9V-SJC - Sold to Cathay Pacific as B-HXO
9V-SJD - Sold to Khalifa
9V-SJE - Sold to Khalifa
9V-SJF - Originally to Air Switzerland, not taken up, sold to Khalifa but not in service
9V-SJG - Originally to Air Switzerland, not taken up, sold to Khalifa but not in service
9V-SJH - Still in service with Singapore Airlines
9V-SJI - Still in service with Singapore Airlines
9V-SJJ - Still in service with Singapore Airlines
9V-SJK - Still in service with Singapore Airlines
9V-SJL - Still in service with Singapore Airlines
9V-SJM - Still in service with Singapore Airlines
9V-SJN - Still in service with Singapore Airlines
9V-SJO - Still in service with Singapore Airlines
9V-SJP - Ordered but not taken up, going directly to Boeing from Airbus
9V-SJQ - Ordered but not taken up, going directly to Boeing from Airbus

BTW I heard 9V-SMD is going to be leased to Air Nigeria - any confirmation or pics?


User currently offlineBCal DC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 722 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

British Airways got shot of the MD11 order that it acquired with the "merger" with British Caledonian as it didn't fit in with the rest of the fleet. It took on BCal's A320 order though.... Booooooo!

User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5555 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Braniff International did, in fact, operate the Concorde, and remains the only US carrier which did so.


...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

TEAL of New Zealand wanted to order deHavilland Comets, but after some pressure from part owner Qantas, they bought Lockheed Electras instead.

Air New Zealand were apparently interested in the Lockheed L-1011, before they decided on the DC-10

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineBroke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

Eastern Airlines evaluated the Breguet 188 for its shuttle operation in the early 1970's. This was a 4 engine STOL turbo-prop.
Eastern Airlines also later evaluated (1977) the DHC-7 for use by Disney World at Orlando as a quiet STOL airliner that would be part of system that service the Southeastern U.S. to the theme park. I flew on this airplane with DeHavilland test pilots, what a gas!!


User currently offlineGr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1607 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

Texas Air stated it would place new 737-300s with Eastern but the whole thing fell apart shortly thereafter.

Capital had Electra IIs and even a Britannia painted in their full colors but these never entered service with them.

Western ordered A300s but cancelled after a Buy American uproar.

Air Florida and Aloha were early customers of the 757.

Ozark had 727-200s but I don't think they actually entered revenue service before they were sold.


User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

I'm surprised nobody mentioned this one:

WN initially was going to fly Lockheed Electras(I'm sure of lockheed, believe it's the electra) but it fell through and they got the 732s. I always wondered where they would be today if they got them, probably in the history books.


25 Post contains links Flying-Tiger : Euralair A330, A321 and B777 Regards Flying-Tiger http://fly.to/rorders
26 CF-CPI : I second Canadi>n's CP Air 767-200. Would have been awesome in the orange. Western also ordered a handful of 767-200s but never took them due to their
27 John : Mohawk, I believe had 737-200s on order at one time. USAirways does have convertable options on the books for either the A343 or 332, which I don't se
28 FlagshipAZ : Western Airlines did placed an order for 10 BAC-111-200s...unknown as to what happened to it. And American did come very, very close to sign up for th
29 JohnJ : There was a rumor awhile back that Northwest was going to pick up KLM's MD11 fleet. Just a rumor, but it would be interesting nonetheless.
30 CF-CPI : FlaghshipAZ, Bonanza ordered BAC-111s as well but could not get a loan for them. I believe there was some subtle suggestion that they 'buy American',
31 Redwarf : Interesting to note: In the book "Nuts!" (It's been a while since I read the book on Southwest, but I think that's the book in the context of my post)
32 Kjet12 : TWA A330s & A318s. Kris
33 IMissPiedmont : "Ozark had 727-200s but I don't think they actually entered revenue service before they were sold." Gr8, you are correct. the 2 727-2D4s were built an
34 ATCT : I thought that Alaska 747-100's and 747-400's would've been a cool addition to their fleet. AS, #1 in the US! ATCT
35 IMissPiedmont : I might also add that HP ordered the 747-400. Saner minds prevailed though.
36 FlagshipAZ : To Redwarf... I did a fast research on Southwest's early years. 1967 to 1971, they were known as Air Southwest, then 1971 it's became Southwest Airlin
37 9V-SVA : 9V-SJH, 9V-SJI, 9V-SJK and 9V-SJL are currently being marketed by Boeing. When Boeing finds a customer, SIA will withdraw these 4 aircraft, send them
38 JohnJ : Back in the late 1970s, when Federal Express was beginning its planning for its first services to Europe, it contemplated procuring Concordes to provi
39 CF-CPI : Speaking of Alaska, weren't they another early customer for the 767-200 who never took delivery, thus joining CP and WA as -200 might-have-beens?
40 Ual777contrail : UNITED and the L-1011, so glad they went with the DC-10'S imo ual 777 contrail
41 RayPettit : Going back a bit, I know, but what about Japan Air Lines Comets? They ordered a couple of Mark 2's in 1952, as did LAV (Venezuela) and Panair do Brasi
42 Post contains links and images RayChuang : Ual777contrail, Hold it right there! UA did get some L1011-500's for a while: View Large View MediumPhoto © Richard Silagi I remember because I f
43 Post contains links and images Justplanesmart : CF-CPI, it was Alaska International Air that ordered the 767-200. They were an all-freight L-100 operator at the time, but were planning to begin pass
44 Blink182 : I'm surprised nobody mentioned Continental and the A340. Continental ordered A340s, but when Bethune took over, the orders were cancelled. Schabak I k
45 HlywdCatft : I have an airline book from the late 80s that shows that America West had an order for 25 A300-600s and 15 767-300s This book also shows the order for
46 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Here's more info on the 747 that Alaska ordered but never received.LoneStarMike
47 Lowfareair : HlywdCatft: I also have the book, called Modern Commercial Aircraft. After a little research, I found that the order for AmWest is a typo and was supp
48 Srbmod : When Valujet was shopping around for their DC-9 replacement, the A319/320 was rumored, as was the 737NG; but the oddball rumored a/c that I recall hea
49 Ual777contrail : raychuang, I know they were in the paint scheme, we had them for like 3 years. I just meant a fleet type that was an oddball and we didn't keep long,
50 Post contains links and images Boeing4ever : LOT ordered 737-800 back in 1996, but now it seems LOT cancelled it and will probably purchase Fokker 170 planes. I'm aware of the Embraer 170 conside
51 Trident : I have in my collection a large brochure issued by De Havilland in the early 1960's containing outline diagrams and technical details of the De Havill
52 Exnonrev : Back in 1990 CO leased an L-1011 from EA and actually had the a/c painted at LAX in CO colors. The a/c was returned to EA before ever making it out of
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