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User currently offlineBragi From Iceland, joined May 2001, 218 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1027 times:

Last spring, a Boeing 752 almost took off from here for a 3 hour flight to Denmark with two baggage handlers trapped in the cargo hold. Crying They were discovered by coincidence few minutes before pushback and were rescued.
They were apparently thinking about turning on the smoke alarm with a cigarette lighter, because they had no radio, when they were discovered.
The matter is now under investigation.

So here are my questions:
Firstly, does something like this often happen???
Isn´t the stuff (can´t remember it´s name) that´s injected on the fire lethal?
I´m not sure about this one, but is the cargo hold on the B757 pressurized?


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User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1011 times:

Cargo areas are pressurized and they should install intercoms in the holds just incase...

User currently offlineBroke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Cargo compartments are pressurized but not necessarily heated. The detectors are designed to sense smoke, not necessarily fire.
Halon is used for a fire extinguishing agent on airplanes, it is a CFC. I'm not sure if it is toxic, but I don't think so.
Usually when cargo handlers are locked in a cargo compartment, it is because they were sleeping there.


User currently offline242 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 932 times:

I wonder why they waited to be "discovered"... All the 757s I've seen have cargo doors that can be opened from the inside.

User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 902 times:

At worst case they would have had plenty of cloths to keep them warm Big grin


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User currently offlineKAL_LM From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 497 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 887 times:

Like mentioned above, the holds are pressurized but unless carrying live cargo, not usually heated (I've slipped on a sheen of frost in a 757 belly). Halon is bad bad stuff for humans, if memory serves, it forces out the oxygen of the space it is injected to so it would be bad news.

Does it happen often? More than you might think...
about a year ago a handler fell asleep in the rear belly of a Postal 727 routing OAK-PDX-GEG in OAK. The plane arrived in PDX but the rear belly had GEG freight only so they didn't open it. Evidently the guy was banging on the door but with the ramp noise and APU running nobody here heard him. They found him passed out when the plane landed in GEG. Needless to sya they weren't too happy. What makes no sense is how the origin station didn't notice that the guy was missing...

regards,
Tom



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User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 874 times:
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Sometimes people are locked in as a (albeit very sick) prank. A lot of these cargo bins do not have an inside release, which would probably eliminate these problems. Or there are just the really stupid people on the ramp who accidentally get themselves locked in, like a guy I work with who decided to attach the cargo net from the inside of the plane, so he could reach it more easily. Problem is that he tried to do this while behind, or inside the net.


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User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 866 times:

Halon removed free oxygen from the air...that most certainly would be toxic to a human in the hold.

joe


User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 797 times:

Toxic = poisonous. Halon smothers, but is not toxic. Two pad workers were killed in a Space Shuttle engine bay that was filled with nitrogen, and we don't consider nitrogen to be toxic. People drown, but water is not toxic.

User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 773 times:

In an enclosed area, halon is capable of causing injury or death -- there by rendering it a human toxin in this particular situation.

joe


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 716 times:

>>>They were apparently thinking about turning on the smoke alarm with a cigarette lighter,

That would have gotten them killed for sure, since the flightcrew response would have been to fire the extinguisher bottle into the compartment to fight the perceived fire.

The best way out of the situation of being locked in the cargo area (assuming you didn't avoid it in the first place) is to find a snmall piece of luggage and pound on the ceiling in the hopes that anyone sitting in the seat rows above will notice (either hearing, or feeling) the thumping, and notify a flight attendant, who will in turn notify the flightcrew.


User currently offlineUALrampORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 665 times:

I have never heard of it happening at ORD, but we all play jokes on each other and sometimes close the door while someones inside. Big grin

UALrampORD


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