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LAX-Santa Ana, CA: Most Pointless Flight Ever?

Flyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 8
Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Less than 30 minutes from gate to gate with a flight time of about 10-15 minutes (36 miles total). With security it would take less time to drive. Why does American Eagle even operate this flight???

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Doug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3163 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

for connecting traffic?

When in doubt, one B pump off

Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1683 times:

If I would live in SNA and work at LAX, I would fly sometimes to work instead of spending several hours in a traffic jam.

Patrick

Trickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

I'm not sure about passenger loads on this flight but I can see it being a convenient route for someone living in the LA area. Considering the horrible traffic conditions around the LA vicinity, flying would certainly be a pretty good alternative. Also, great for mileage runs. Big thumbs up

Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!

Cathay Pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

How much would this flight cost?

cathay pacific, now you're really flying

ONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

O and D traffic is pretty much non-existent on this route. Even when I worked at SBA which is well over an hour from LAX (without traffic) we would have a O and D passenger once in a blue moon. UA has several daily flights to LAX for connections and AA has one RJ flight for aircraft positioning purposes. During rushhour the 405 can be a parking lot and just trying to get from the 405 or the 105 to airport can be a nightmare. (there is no proper connector because the damn NIMBYs fought it because they feared it would lead to more runways) Sometimes it costs only a little more to take the commuter flight (sometimes none) than to drive yourself up to LAX, but usually there is a premium to be paid. But with such small aircraft I'm sure they can find enough Orange County residents who will pay for it.

"The world is run by C students"-Harry Truman

Jcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

I actually flew SNA-LAX several years ago on a Skywest EM-120, I think that the flight was a little more than 20 minutes. What happened was that we were supposed to fly from SNA-ATL nonstop, the flight was cancelled so DL just put us on the flight to LAX to connect to ATL. When I got home I priced a SNA-LAX r/t and it was only $36.

America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!

Johnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2472 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

What about ONT-LAX? I know there used to be such a flight, but I'm not sure anymore.

Gumah From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

There are several reasons that this route really makes good sense:

My hubby is Premier Executive level with United Airlines. We live in North Orange County and he travels very frequently for business. SNA is the most convenient airport for him to fly out of because it's about a 20-25 minute drive vs. 45 to LAX.

Hubby frequently flys to Chicago direct from SNA. However, when he can't get a flight from SNA, he must fly out of LAX. He choses the SNA-LAX flight for two reasons:

1. Daily parking at LAX is like $20 or 30$ per day compared to SNA's rate
of $11.

2. When flying SNA-LAX - United credits him 500 miles. Not bad, huh?

For him it's a great deal - money saved on parking and 500 miles - can't beat that!

Johnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2472 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

And didn't Continental operate a IAH-Ellington Field flight also?

DIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 700 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1458 times:

I flew DEN-LAX-SNA on CO back in 1989.

Flyguydsl From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

The published rate on this flight is $107USD Return based on Saturday night stay and 14day advance purch.
Your friendly local TA (travel agent)

Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4906 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

YEs continental operates EFD-iah flights currently with ATRs. They used to fly HOU-IAH as well. As of Dec. 12th the COEx will be all jet so IAH-EFD will go to ERJ135s. I've flown the route many times-its a good alternative if u live on the south side of Houston-parking is free at Ellington and you get 500 OnePass miles. Most of the passengers on the flights are OnePass Elite members. Flying time is usually about 17-20minutes.

Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised

Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

The published rate on this flight is $107USD Return based on Saturday night stay and 14day advance purch.

Wow, that is expensive for a short flight like that, forget the idea that I posted in my reply above.

Patrick

N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

UA used to operate SFO-OAK and also IAD-BWI. I don't know when they stopped.

MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

The flight is a positioning flight. American Eagle needs to get RJs to SNA to fly thier SNA-SFO flights. Since there is no other RJ service or RJ bases at neither SFO nor SNA, they need to fly LAX-SNA to get RJs to SNA to fly SFO-SNA, and they might as well make some money while doing that.

UALrampORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1312 times:

I have flown this flight many a times. It is a fun flight, even more so at night when your flying low over the L.A. basin and the suburbs. UAX has flights on the hour to and from each destination.

UALrampORD

FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5667 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

In the past there have been various short flights operated in California for connecting passengers. Besides those mentioned there was also a SFO-SJC on UAX. That flight is now replaced with a connecting bus.

JohnBoy, there was a DLConnection LAX-ONT. I used it a few times for connections. It used to be operated on a Metro.

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain

United_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7159 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1281 times:

I read that EFD-IAH was free for connecting CO passengers.

'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.

ONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

Skywest (UA Express) still flies ONT-LAX 10x a day on their EM2s. SNA-LAX is 6x daily.

"The world is run by C students"-Harry Truman

Zrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1276 times:

LAX-SNA flights are expensive. You can fly coast to coast for less. But no one ever flies this O and D. They connect. It usually costs the same to fly SNA-LAX-SFO-LAX-SNA as it does to fly SNA-SFO nonstop. Same true for other connections.

I love this short hop. Up and down realy fast. Great scenery. 500 United miles! What could be better?

13 year airliners.net vet! 2000-2013

Flyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

What is the "cruising" altitude on these flights?

AAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1176 times:

Scheduled to provide a method of regular rotation of aircraft into/out of the SFO/SNA routes. Previously the SFO/SNA route was flown with two dedicated R90s each day. AA would shift the R90s out on early SNA-SJC legs and in on a late LAX-SFO leg. Similarly handled when S80 and 738 took over that flying. With AE flying the route it needed a way to route different aircraft onto and out of the two stations. The quick fix (minimizing effect on contract limitations) was the short LAX-SNA leg.

Cruising altitudes are 6-9,000' MSL (depending upon local arrival traffic).

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N628AU From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 324 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1098 times:

CCAIR (US Airways Express) used to fly CLT-HKY, about 45 miles in a straight line. Only business travelers connecting ever took it, although parking in HKY was free, so those living in the NC foothills could get a good deal. Full Y was something like $270 for a trip which never took longer than 10 minutes in the air.

Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1076 times:

Air LA also used to fly LAX-SNA, from the Imperial terminal on the south side of LAX. They operated connecting services with Metros and then Jetstreams in co-operation with MGM Grand Air. Happy days...

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I suspect however that the Jetstream was a bit of a come-down after the passengers had flown JFK-LAX in an all first-class 727!

Andy

Cschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1060 times:

As was mentioned, UA flew OAK-SFO and SJC-SFO at one time. I recall their timetable actually having San Francisco as a destination from the San Francisco section, with the specific airport codes for OAK and SJC.

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