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SQ68 Emergency Landing  
User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4244 times:

A SINGAPORE Airlines (SIA) plane turned back to Singapore on Sunday, after hitting turbulent weather shortly after taking off from Changi Airport.

An SIA spokesman said four of the flight's crew and a passenger suffered minor cuts and bruises.

More can be read at the Straits Times Interactive website.

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I know this is pretty common, for an aircraft to land after hitting an air pocket. But just after leaving Singapore? That is a bit wierd though. But after all, realising it's an A310....  Big thumbs up

I applaud the pilots for making the right choice this time.

I also wanted to see Khoa's reaction to this one.

9V-SVA


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User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

According to the news report, the pilot turned the plane back so that the "injured could receive medical attention."

It sounds like turbulence did them in pretty good. Sounds pretty serious.



Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!
User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4121 times:

Cuts and bruises, Trickijedi.

9V-SVA



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User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

The pilot's advice for passengers to remain belted when seated goes nowhere with many passengers.

As soon as the seatbelt sign is turned off, one could see people unbuckling themself with an urgency that indicates they are being suffocated. Many also immediately jump out of their seat to stand on the aisle, lean on a seat, talk to someone and try to look very cool and important . . .

Therefore does not surprise me that even when the plane hit turbulence so soon after take-off, several suffered injuries.

It should be noted that the skies over Southeast Asia can be very turbulent . . . but the absolute worst I have experience is over the Bay of Bengal!

KC Sim
Bangkok


User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

I remember back in 1994 I was flying from DPS-SIN on an A310. We hit an air pocket suddenly without warning during cruise.

9V-SVA



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User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

I think Mr.BA should be able to remember this...

One night somewhere in 2001, a 777-300 SQ428 to CAI or somewhere departed SIN to wherever its going... then me and Mr.BA were night spotting as usual when I happened to switch back to SQ Ops Frequency, where SQ428 was talking to the SQ Ops people saying that that had an injured crew member with something like a broken leg... and they were proceeding back to WSSS, and soon declared and emergency. Of course they gave all the details of the injured FS but I cant remember. They declared medical emergency, dumped some fuel over M'sia (as usual) and proceeded back onto 20L....



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User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

Tsentsan, SQ 428 goes to Dubai, and continues on to Cairo. Due to turbulence I guess.

9V-SVA



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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6878 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

KC, you're right about bay of bengal...
Was in SK 767 stuck at FL270/280 due to lack of slots after Afghanistan closed (early 1990s)... We were cruising along on the lower level when suddenly we felt the plane being pushed to the side very rapidly, plane banked, and all the overhead racks opened bags fell... Never seen so many pax help each other in cleaning the plane up after that...

Mandala499



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

"I also wanted to see Khoa's reaction to this one."

Well my reaction is that I think you are naive and selective in your criticisms.



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User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Tsentsan,

I think a F/A broke his hand rather than his leg. 9V-SYB that night and I think it's SQ 404 for Dubai.

Never forgot the skies over Indonesia, it's one of the most turnbulent I've ever been through in South east asia too. Even at 35,000 feet.



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User currently offlineBusinessflyer From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

I am still a bit confused about this. The airplane takes off and soon after hits turbulance injuring enough passengers as to land again immediately. I know there were some very big storm clouds around on Sunday, but is that what caused the problem? Does anybody know anything more specific about this (i.e. height of incident, whether it was cloud turbulance, if the belt-up sign was on or off - all those sorts of things ) - since the usual Straits / Business Times comments are typically vague about this. I just spoke to a friend who writes the transport stuff at the ST and she said that SQ was being very quiet about the whole thing (no real surprise there!).

PS... who is Khoa?!


User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

Naive and selective, Khoa? I just wanted to see how you would react to a report about your favourite airline's FS getting injured. Looks like you can't believe it.

Let me tell you something Khoa, face it. This type of shit happens at every airline. You can't deny it. Also, stop praising SQ at the expense of other airlines.

Businessflyer, Khoa is Singapore_Air.

9V-SVA



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User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

Settle Down 9V-SVA, There's no need to be rude here, afterall it's a place for sharing comments...even you don't like him you can just ignore him, same as Singapore_Air. Afterall both of you are fans of Singapore_Air, just that sometimes the ways of praising are different...

Anyways thanx for letting us know, good to know that SQ did not continue its destination but headed back for Singapore. Wise decision indeed.

Best Regards


User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

Gerry: Looks like your SAS B763 had it worse . . . I was flying on a CSA IL-62M on one trip and on a Malaysia Airlines B744 on another . . . both times, breakfast was being served, and both times, you cannot even keep anything on the tray or in the cups. Thankfully, both the IL-62 and the B744 are very sturdy airplanes. The IL-62 gave me great confidence.

Singapore_Air and 9V-SVA: I was worried that this discussion, like all others involving SIA would degenerate into one of this battle that you are now having . . . and it did. I wish it didn't, because it was an otherwise sensible discussion.

Straits Times / Business Times reports about aviation-related incidents are often vague because the reporters don't know any better and therefore don't know what sensible questions to ask. About the airline being quiet, airplanes hitting turbulence enroute is as common as your car's tires hitting a pothole on the road . . . unless something major happens, there is nothing newsworthy about it. I only wish passengers learn to belt up if they have no business in the aisle or elsewhere on the plane, even in seemingly clear weather.

KC Sim
Bangkok


User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3932 times:

Businessflyer,

I don't think one would ever come to know what happened in the airplane and at what altittude it happened. A lot of factors form 'turbulence', it need not be clouds, it maybe be the sudden change of strong gusty winds, pressure... etc. More likely the plane has just took off. I've seen many cases in my flights that once the plane becomes airborne, people will start unbuckling their seatbelts, not even waiting for the signs to be turned off. Anyway pilots try to get permission to avoid storm clouds or areas prone to storms, heavy turbulence or heavy precipitation.



Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3930 times:

Normally ST/BT will not report about SIA aircraft problems. For instance, SQ351 was only reported as it had engine trouble. In this case, SQ68 hit the news as an F/A was injured.

I don't usually belt up, but neither do I mill around the aisles either. I'd rather be enjoying my movies on the PTV.

KC, don't be worried, I'm just teaching him what's right. Big grin

9V-SVA



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User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

Bay of Bengal.... isnt that the same place where an SQ A310 did some aerobatics? Think it was 9V-STO right?.. As mentioned by photographer Bailey, Suddenly Turn Over Big grin


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User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Yes the Bay of Bengal thing that never happened according to most at SQ !!

User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Yah, it was 9V-STO. I think a F/A on this flight sued SIA for loss of flight allowances and won. SIA wasn't too happy about it. Bay of Bengal is very famous for its turbulence. I encountered turbulence quite a few times crossing the bay.


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User currently offlineBusinessflyer From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

I wouldn't be too harsh on the journalists at the Straits / Business Times. They often do know the questions to ask but due to self-censorship or lack of co-operation on the part of the company in question, they cannot provide sufficient detail (anybody been tracking the Comfort saga!). However, it is true that many people unbuckle soon after take-off. Something that really irritates me is the way that people recline seats when the plane is still climbing (I don't know why, but it really does!). But SQ, like many other airlines including BA, is usually very conscientious in ensuring everybody is buckled up! Anyway, as a matter of idle curiousity... if a pilot is heading towards a big storm cloud what is the procedure - can he/she just fly around it or do they have to request permission, or is this a function of altitude? Any ideas?

PS... what is this about the "Bay of Bengal thing"?


User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 722 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

9V-STO did happen and it was all pilot induced and covered up as usual.

I won't go into details because I do have a job here after all but had it happened in the US for instance I believe those pilots would be in jail right now.



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User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Hmmm... actually I've never had the opportunity to fly over the Bay of Bengal... so no comments from me.. :-(...

Sorry abt bringing up the STO thing.



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User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

I heard a very interesting story about a reporter that tried to contatct SQ just after this news was leaked. It ened with the reporter getting a letter from the Immigration department of Singapore saying is work was not in the interest of Singapore and if things did not change his Visa would be cancelled !!

User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Ahahaha...the bureaucracy of our dear country!

It would be of interest to the people in Singapore to see what kind of pilots SQ are hiring and what has happened to them because I seriously shudder to think that such people may be flying my plane.


User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6605 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

I am sorry to say, that if I had to fly SQ, I would not feel comfortable on board. This isn't a dig at any of you here, including our dear friend SQ_boy, but just my personal opinion. I am sure SQ have great service and great pilots, but I also know they have some very questionnable ones too, and flying SQ would be a fairly last resort I am afraid.

25 Hkgspotter1 : THATS THE POINT They are number one at this that and the other but its because of what people see, the food, the seats, the PTV's etc. More people sho
26 Post contains images B747-437B : More people should be aware of OTHER things that are even more important the what I've just listed. But.... but.... but... they have WISEMEN and KrisW
27 N79969 : Cx_Flyboy, I am intrigued by your comments about SQ. Especially since you are a pilot. Would you mind elaborating? I'm just curious.
28 AirNewZealand : Yes, I would like the same questions answered also. It seems abit strange that the FA's were out of their seats IF the pilots knew Thunder clouds were
29 Singapore 777 : It is not unusual to see the FAs out of their seats before the seatbelt signs have been turned off, at least not from my experience. Some time back, w
30 Hkgspotter1 : She could be a thrill seeker !!
31 Bobcat : Just out of curiosity, does the airline(in this case, SQ) pick up the medical expenses of the injured passengers? Are the passengers entitled to other
32 Ex_SQer : Bobcat: SQ will usually pick up the medical expenses of the injured passengers in cases like these. Other "goodwill gestures" may be offered to passen
33 Cx flyboy : N79969, and AirNewZealand, There have been several incidents that have happened with SQ which were definately avoidable, and ones which really make yo
34 9V-SVA : SIA normally picks up the tab for medical expenses.SIA has both unprofessional pilots and good ones. I have had very pleasant pilots on my flight thus
35 Rendezvous : I've seen one Sinagpore incident that bothered me. 747-400, approaching Sydney, nothing drastic about the conditions, gentle wind, sunny etc. Plane in
36 Post contains images Mr.BA : Was it a tight approach? Shouldn't be autopilot problems...
37 9V-SVA : Heh. A bit crazy eh, not being able to intercept on a calm day. 9V-SVA
38 Tsentsan : Sydney's version of calm may not be the Singapore version of calm... Sydney's version of calm is something like .. runway 34L in use, wind 300 at 15-1
39 Mr.BA : And and no one knows the winds up there...
40 N79969 : Cx_Flyboy, Thanks for your response. It seems odd that SQ's shortcomings would show up in the cockpit and not in some other area like yield management
41 Singapore 777 : Perhaps because it's too much "by the book" that there are limited areas for creativity and a free-hand in doing things. How these cockpit problems sh
42 N79969 : It sounds like the problems that SQ is having are related to pilots deviating from procedure or simply not following procedure. (e.g. not cross-checki
43 Cx flyboy : I would not say Singaporeans are incompetant. You can't really tarnish a whole race like that. Certain people are incompetant and training procedures,
44 N79969 : The cover-up mentality reminds me of Japan. That is not a good thing at all. I think some of SQ's fleet changes can be attributed to the fact that the
45 Singapore 777 : I believe that most of the problems occur with the Trent 884 variant of the engine (which is actually the Trent 892 with a switch in EEC software righ
46 GotAirbus : Buisnessflyer Anyway, as a matter of idle curiousity... if a pilot is heading towards a big storm cloud what is the procedure - can he/she just fly a
47 N79969 : I think it depends on where you are exactly. If you are in controlled airspace, you can request vectors around or away from a storm. If you are in unc
48 Donder10 : Well my reaction is that I think you are naive and selective in your criticisms. I do remember you posted a similar topic to this one about CX.Selecti
49 Docpepz : Cx flyboy what do you mean by "incidents like this are covered up" I talked to a few people who work in SIA and asked them if they remembered an incid
50 9V-SVA : Nelson, I was travelling with you, right? Then it was definitely a Boeing 747-300. No PTVs in sight! Hahaha, Carol the SilkAir Flight Ops man strikes
51 9V-SVA : Docpepz, perhaps the pilots were non-Singaporean? 9V-SVA
52 Cx flyboy : Docpepz, It is no secret that many things happen in SQ and there is a total news blackout. Of course major incidents are out in the open. It would be
53 Danialanwar : Agree that the Bay of Bengal is bumpy ... I fly (or rather am flown) over it like 6 times a year, and it is ALWAYS bumpy. Out of Spore I guess part of
54 9V-SVA : Hmm I see CX flyboy. Everytime I overfly the Bay of Bengal, there will ALWAYS be turbulence. Wonder why. 9V-SVA
55 Sq_ek_freak : I usually have to fly about 4 or 5 times to Dhaka, Bangladesh a year for business, and almost always choose to fly with SQ on this route. Hmm, almost
56 N79969 : What is going on with CX these days? Are you (pilot) guys still locking horns with management? How is CX experience with the various Trents?
57 Cx flyboy : We are technically still locking horns, yes. The 49 guys that lost their jobs have still not had any sort of closure to the whole thing. Court cases a
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