Aviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1472 posts, RR: 15 Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3757 times:
The pilot's advice for passengers to remain belted when seated goes nowhere with many passengers.
As soon as the seatbelt sign is turned off, one could see people unbuckling themself with an urgency that indicates they are being suffocated. Many also immediately jump out of their seat to stand on the aisle, lean on a seat, talk to someone and try to look very cool and important . . .
Therefore does not surprise me that even when the plane hit turbulence so soon after take-off, several suffered injuries.
It should be noted that the skies over Southeast Asia can be very turbulent . . . but the absolute worst I have experience is over the Bay of Bengal!
Tsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 16 Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3728 times:
I think Mr.BA should be able to remember this...
One night somewhere in 2001, a 777-300 SQ428 to CAI or somewhere departed SIN to wherever its going... then me and Mr.BA were night spotting as usual when I happened to switch back to SQ Ops Frequency, where SQ428 was talking to the SQ Ops people saying that that had an injured crew member with something like a broken leg... and they were proceeding back to WSSS, and soon declared and emergency. Of course they gave all the details of the injured FS but I cant remember. They declared medical emergency, dumped some fuel over M'sia (as usual) and proceeded back onto 20L....
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6424 posts, RR: 74 Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3711 times:
KC, you're right about bay of bengal...
Was in SK 767 stuck at FL270/280 due to lack of slots after Afghanistan closed (early 1990s)... We were cruising along on the lower level when suddenly we felt the plane being pushed to the side very rapidly, plane banked, and all the overhead racks opened bags fell... Never seen so many pax help each other in cleaning the plane up after that...
When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
Businessflyer From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3660 times:
I am still a bit confused about this. The airplane takes off and soon after hits turbulance injuring enough passengers as to land again immediately. I know there were some very big storm clouds around on Sunday, but is that what caused the problem? Does anybody know anything more specific about this (i.e. height of incident, whether it was cloud turbulance, if the belt-up sign was on or off - all those sorts of things ) - since the usual Straits / Business Times comments are typically vague about this. I just spoke to a friend who writes the transport stuff at the ST and she said that SQ was being very quiet about the whole thing (no real surprise there!).
9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3644 times:
Settle Down 9V-SVA, There's no need to be rude here, afterall it's a place for sharing comments...even you don't like him you can just ignore him, same as Singapore_Air. Afterall both of you are fans of Singapore_Air, just that sometimes the ways of praising are different...
Anyways thanx for letting us know, good to know that SQ did not continue its destination but headed back for Singapore. Wise decision indeed.
Aviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1472 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3649 times:
Gerry: Looks like your SAS B763 had it worse . . . I was flying on a CSA IL-62M on one trip and on a Malaysia Airlines B744 on another . . . both times, breakfast was being served, and both times, you cannot even keep anything on the tray or in the cups. Thankfully, both the IL-62 and the B744 are very sturdy airplanes. The IL-62 gave me great confidence.
Singapore_Air and 9V-SVA: I was worried that this discussion, like all others involving SIA would degenerate into one of this battle that you are now having . . . and it did. I wish it didn't, because it was an otherwise sensible discussion.
Straits Times / Business Times reports about aviation-related incidents are often vague because the reporters don't know any better and therefore don't know what sensible questions to ask. About the airline being quiet, airplanes hitting turbulence enroute is as common as your car's tires hitting a pothole on the road . . . unless something major happens, there is nothing newsworthy about it. I only wish passengers learn to belt up if they have no business in the aisle or elsewhere on the plane, even in seemingly clear weather.
Mr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22 Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3626 times:
I don't think one would ever come to know what happened in the airplane and at what altittude it happened. A lot of factors form 'turbulence', it need not be clouds, it maybe be the sudden change of strong gusty winds, pressure... etc. More likely the plane has just took off. I've seen many cases in my flights that once the plane becomes airborne, people will start unbuckling their seatbelts, not even waiting for the signs to be turned off. Anyway pilots try to get permission to avoid storm clouds or areas prone to storms, heavy turbulence or heavy precipitation.
9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1859 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3594 times:
Yah, it was 9V-STO. I think a F/A on this flight sued SIA for loss of flight allowances and won. SIA wasn't too happy about it. Bay of Bengal is very famous for its turbulence. I encountered turbulence quite a few times crossing the bay.
Businessflyer From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3602 times:
I wouldn't be too harsh on the journalists at the Straits / Business Times. They often do know the questions to ask but due to self-censorship or lack of co-operation on the part of the company in question, they cannot provide sufficient detail (anybody been tracking the Comfort saga!). However, it is true that many people unbuckle soon after take-off. Something that really irritates me is the way that people recline seats when the plane is still climbing (I don't know why, but it really does!). But SQ, like many other airlines including BA, is usually very conscientious in ensuring everybody is buckled up! Anyway, as a matter of idle curiousity... if a pilot is heading towards a big storm cloud what is the procedure - can he/she just fly around it or do they have to request permission, or is this a function of altitude? Any ideas?
PS... what is this about the "Bay of Bengal thing"?
Hkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3533 times:
I heard a very interesting story about a reporter that tried to contatct SQ just after this news was leaked. It ened with the reporter getting a letter from the Immigration department of Singapore saying is work was not in the interest of Singapore and if things did not change his Visa would be cancelled !!
Cx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6454 posts, RR: 56 Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3503 times:
I am sorry to say, that if I had to fly SQ, I would not feel comfortable on board. This isn't a dig at any of you here, including our dear friend SQ_boy, but just my personal opinion. I am sure SQ have great service and great pilots, but I also know they have some very questionnable ones too, and flying SQ would be a fairly last resort I am afraid.
25 Hkgspotter1: THATS THE POINT They are number one at this that and the other but its because of what people see, the food, the seats, the PTV's etc. More people sho
26 B747-437B: More people should be aware of OTHER things that are even more important the what I've just listed. But.... but.... but... they have WISEMEN and KrisW
27 N79969: Cx_Flyboy, I am intrigued by your comments about SQ. Especially since you are a pilot. Would you mind elaborating? I'm just curious.
28 AirNewZealand: Yes, I would like the same questions answered also. It seems abit strange that the FA's were out of their seats IF the pilots knew Thunder clouds were
29 Singapore 777: It is not unusual to see the FAs out of their seats before the seatbelt signs have been turned off, at least not from my experience. Some time back, w