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Delta And The MD11  
User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4946 times:

How much longer will the DL MD11 be in service? The reason I ask is because (I know its far off) but Christmas 2003 I am flying SAN-ATL-MCO and right now, DL has an MD11 on the ATL-MCO route... I have a chance to fly on heavies the entire route...

763 SAN - ATL
MD11 ATL - MCO
772 MCO - ATL
763 ATL - SAN

This is exciting now, and I hope I am not in for a let down. Will the MD11 still be in service?

I am not a big fan of the plane that put MCdonnell Douglas out of business, but, it would be great to fly on it at least once.


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User currently offlineStrickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

From what I've heard, they'll be around at least another 5 years, if not 7 or 8. At the end of 2003, I'm sure not one will have left the fleet yet.

User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4875 times:

WHAT AGE ARE DELTA'S MD11

User currently offlineUGA777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

Most of them were delivered between 1990-1993 if I am not mistaken.

User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4860 times:

It was kind of funny when AA was supposed to get rid of them right away in the early 90's but yet they hung on for years after... On a side note, my mom flew thru SAN-SFO-MCO on UAL and she said she saw a 3 engined KLM at SFO... If I am not mistaken, KLM hasnt really announced a date when they want them out of their fleet.



User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4836 times:

Check this shot out...


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Will DL be painting any of them to the new c/s?



User currently onlineCV990A From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

What would they replace them with? Any outstanding 777 orders would not be sufficient to replace the MD-11s on a plane-for-plane basis. As for the repainting I think they're just taking their sweet time with it. I'm booked on one on the CVG-LGW flight in March, and I'm looking forward to it- it'll be my first MD-11 flight in almost 8+ years. Here's hoping it'll be as nice as I remember!


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User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1379 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

Maiznblu have a look at least one is in the new scheme!


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User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

N813DE is currently the only frame in the newest scheme, but all ships are scheduled for an update, coinciding with a C-check I believe, but someone in DL/s MX or ops will have to clarify.


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User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

What would they replace them with? Any outstanding 777 orders would not be sufficient to replace the MD-11s on a plane-for-plane basis.

Well, at the rate Delta appears to be shrinking their intercontinental flights, they soon won't need any MD-11's.  Smile


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

Delta uses a lot of their MD-11's on their florida routes, and boy do they fill up. back in august i checked numerous flts from ATL-MCOfor a flt in November, a couple of which were MD-11's, and all of them only had a few seats left.

User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

They'll be gone by the end of 2005.


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User currently onlineCV990A From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

You know TransSwede- you do have a very good point there...


Kittens Give Morbo Gas
User currently offlineEjaymd11 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4496 times:

As much as I love Douglas I have to make this point. The MD-11 did not kill Douglas. I am not saying the MD-11 is even responsible, but Douglas killed them selves. I am the biggest MD-11 fan but I feel that Douglas made a mistake that they have made before. Rushing to beat the competition they missed a few things and It came back and bit them in the ass. You can't rush certain things, the 777, and MD-11 were launched around the same time, the MD-11 was ready in 1990, the 777 in 1995, I think Douglas just rushed it. One more thing I do not believe this is the only factor responsible in down fall of McDC.

Ejaymd11


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

I was supposed to get a DL MD-11 last June when I flew ATL-MCO but it was replaced with a 764 on Delta Flight 63

User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

I know MCdonnell Douglas killed themselves, by building the MD11... I just see the AC as a total waste and it pisses me off... I still want to fly on it once though...  Big grin BTW, is their a fuel stop for that bird between ATL and MCO???? LOL.. J/K.

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

Having flown on an MD-11 for the first time back in late August I must say that this is one heck of an airplane!!! It has great takeoff and cruise performance and it is very quiet inside. Too bad McDonnell Douglas couldn't get their act together when they were developing this aircraft to get the bugs in it's systems straightened out before many customers like SIA went instead for the underpowered CFM56-5C A340-300.

User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Actually, the MD-11 wasn't any worse as far "as getting it's sytems straightened out" as was the 747-400;which had software bugs, plumbing issues, too many configurations etc. The 747-400 has been a success. Perhpas "crappy marketing efforts" did MDC in.

User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 768 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

DL is trying to farm out all Asian and European travel to codeshares. Pretty soon they won't need the 11's anymore, and they can just use the 763's and 777's for the oddball routes not covered by codesharing.

-Sean


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

If DL doesn't want their PW4462 powered MD-11s anymore for it's Asian and European routes then they should be picked up by World Airways or ATA for their chartered flights to replace their DC-10s & L-1011s.

User currently offlineTurin_airport From Italy, joined Oct 2001, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4348 times:

I made the MCO-ATL route last may with Delta. According to Delta timetable the plane should have been an MD-11, but they used a B767-300 instead. The plane was quite full, so I don't think they have any problem in filling even a bigger aircraft. But, since MCO-ATL segment is just 1 hour long, isn't uneconomical use an aircraft (like the MD-11) suited for very long trip?

T_a


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

At one time I think DL had a MD11 MCO-LAX-NRT.... Maybe this flight is MCO-ATL-NRT??? I havent really paid attention if thats the case or not...

if Im wrong, than dont they have to use the aircraft somewhere?


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1657 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

Besides the performance issues with the MD11, it should also be considered that it was really a victim of the times. When it was conceived/designed, the twins (767, A300) has just started to become utilized on transatlantic flights. By the time the MD11 entered service, the twins ruled the Atlantic airways. Unless you're flying cargo, why fly an aircraft with three engines when one with two will do just fine? Even later, longer-range twins in the form of the 777 entered service on transpacific routes, further eroding the MD11s usefulness. So I would go so far as to say that even had the MD11 been a stellar performer it probably never would have been a hugely successful aircraft from a sales standpoint.

User currently offlineCF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 1053 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

Maiznblu I believe that was the initial route for the DL MD-11 in early '91. DL's fortunes in the Pacific sort of waned and at some point the MD-11 was replaced by domestic ships from LAX to MCO and if I'm not mistaken LAX-NRT is no longer served by DL. While the MD-11 is not optimized for short hauls such as ATL-MCO, I believe the idea is to utilize transatlantic aircraft that are on the ground in mid-day and would be sitting on the tarmac doing nothing otherwise.

User currently offlineCAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

Hey UGA777,

Just wanted to say that I loved the screen name! I was in Athens this past Sat for the game... I always love Saturdays in Sanford Stadium! Go DAWGS!

CAETravlr



A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
25 Thumper : Why does Delta want to get rid of there European routes? I fly them 3-4 times a year and they are always full!
26 Dvk : Has there been an official announcement that the MD11's will be gone by the end of 2005? I know that many things have changed over the past year, but
27 RIX : Well, how "official" is it that Delta is cutting its international flights or tries "to farm out all Asian and European travel to codeshares"? Is it j
28 MD88Captain : Just in the last few days the rumour mill at DAL says that all/some of the MD11s have been sold. Some think that the aircraft are going to UPS. DAL ha
29 FlyVS007 : I enjoyed my time spent on Delta MD-11's more than their 777. I'll be sad to see them go.
30 UGA777 : CAETravlr, Glad to see you were up here cheering the dawgs to victory, although it got a little scary in the end. I had a great time and hope you did
31 Jrlander : Delta will grounding all MD-11's by 2004. See the related thread.
32 BestWestern : I agree with VS007, I too have enjoyed the MD-11, and will miss them.
33 Backfire : 12 DL MD-11s to be grounded summer '03
34 0A340 : ... and the remaining 3 by early 2004.
35 Ejaymd11 : Maiznblu_757 You completly misunderstood what I said. I meant by the haste in the production of the aircraft they might have missed some important iss
36 Airplanetire : Well, now there is that thread confirming that DL is getting rid of all but three of their MD-11s by June 2003. It makes me kind of sad because I thin
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