Maiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 51 Posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4672 times:
How much longer will the DL MD11 be in service? The reason I ask is because (I know its far off) but Christmas 2003 I am flying SAN-ATL-MCO and right now, DL has an MD11 on the ATL-MCO route... I have a chance to fly on heavies the entire route...
763 SAN - ATL
MD11 ATL - MCO
772 MCO - ATL
763 ATL - SAN
This is exciting now, and I hope I am not in for a let down. Will the MD11 still be in service?
I am not a big fan of the plane that put MCdonnell Douglas out of business, but, it would be great to fly on it at least once.
Maiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4586 times:
It was kind of funny when AA was supposed to get rid of them right away in the early 90's but yet they hung on for years after... On a side note, my mom flew thru SAN-SFO-MCO on UAL and she said she saw a 3 engined KLM at SFO... If I am not mistaken, KLM hasnt really announced a date when they want them out of their fleet.
CV990A From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1397 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4575 times:
What would they replace them with? Any outstanding 777 orders would not be sufficient to replace the MD-11s on a plane-for-plane basis. As for the repainting I think they're just taking their sweet time with it. I'm booked on one on the CVG-LGW flight in March, and I'm looking forward to it- it'll be my first MD-11 flight in almost 8+ years. Here's hoping it'll be as nice as I remember!
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3235 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4303 times:
Delta uses a lot of their MD-11's on their florida routes, and boy do they fill up. back in august i checked numerous flts from ATL-MCOfor a flt in November, a couple of which were MD-11's, and all of them only had a few seats left.
Ejaymd11 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 193 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4222 times:
As much as I love Douglas I have to make this point. The MD-11 did not kill Douglas. I am not saying the MD-11 is even responsible, but Douglas killed them selves. I am the biggest MD-11 fan but I feel that Douglas made a mistake that they have made before. Rushing to beat the competition they missed a few things and It came back and bit them in the ass. You can't rush certain things, the 777, and MD-11 were launched around the same time, the MD-11 was ready in 1990, the 777 in 1995, I think Douglas just rushed it. One more thing I do not believe this is the only factor responsible in down fall of McDC.
Maiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4177 times:
I know MCdonnell Douglas killed themselves, by building the MD11... I just see the AC as a total waste and it pisses me off... I still want to fly on it once though... BTW, is their a fuel stop for that bird between ATL and MCO???? LOL.. J/K.
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4156 times:
Having flown on an MD-11 for the first time back in late August I must say that this is one heck of an airplane!!! It has great takeoff and cruise performance and it is very quiet inside. Too bad McDonnell Douglas couldn't get their act together when they were developing this aircraft to get the bugs in it's systems straightened out before many customers like SIA went instead for the underpowered CFM56-5C A340-300.
747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4135 times:
Actually, the MD-11 wasn't any worse as far "as getting it's sytems straightened out" as was the 747-400;which had software bugs, plumbing issues, too many configurations etc. The 747-400 has been a success. Perhpas "crappy marketing efforts" did MDC in.
Sean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 755 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4120 times:
DL is trying to farm out all Asian and European travel to codeshares. Pretty soon they won't need the 11's anymore, and they can just use the 763's and 777's for the oddball routes not covered by codesharing.
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4117 times:
If DL doesn't want their PW4462 powered MD-11s anymore for it's Asian and European routes then they should be picked up by World Airways or ATA for their chartered flights to replace their DC-10s & L-1011s.
Turin_airport From Italy, joined Oct 2001, 278 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4074 times:
I made the MCO-ATL route last may with Delta. According to Delta timetable the plane should have been an MD-11, but they used a B767-300 instead. The plane was quite full, so I don't think they have any problem in filling even a bigger aircraft. But, since MCO-ATL segment is just 1 hour long, isn't uneconomical use an aircraft (like the MD-11) suited for very long trip?
JohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1640 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3976 times:
Besides the performance issues with the MD11, it should also be considered that it was really a victim of the times. When it was conceived/designed, the twins (767, A300) has just started to become utilized on transatlantic flights. By the time the MD11 entered service, the twins ruled the Atlantic airways. Unless you're flying cargo, why fly an aircraft with three engines when one with two will do just fine? Even later, longer-range twins in the form of the 777 entered service on transpacific routes, further eroding the MD11s usefulness. So I would go so far as to say that even had the MD11 been a stellar performer it probably never would have been a hugely successful aircraft from a sales standpoint.
CF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 885 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3965 times:
Maiznblu I believe that was the initial route for the DL MD-11 in early '91. DL's fortunes in the Pacific sort of waned and at some point the MD-11 was replaced by domestic ships from LAX to MCO and if I'm not mistaken LAX-NRT is no longer served by DL. While the MD-11 is not optimized for short hauls such as ATL-MCO, I believe the idea is to utilize transatlantic aircraft that are on the ground in mid-day and would be sitting on the tarmac doing nothing otherwise.