MrLineGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 39151 times:
If this is true, this is definitely a blow to Boeing and the 737NG. I would be interested in the reasoning behind choosing the A32X over the 737NG. I.E., was it price alone? Was the 737 not fitting operationally within EasyJet's structure? Should be interesting, and although I am a Boeing fan, congrats to Airbus on a job well done!
BestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7434 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 39076 times:
Excellent news for the European Aviation Industry. What this does to the Boeing Share Price, and to the already weak 737 production line should be interesting. With around 60 737's from Go and Easyjet coming into a very weak market, it will be interesting to see how boeing reacts with production levels.
Key points of the deal:
Firm order for 120 Airbus A319 aircraft for delivery from September 2003 over 5 years
Options with price protection on a further 120 Airbus A319 aircraft until 2012
Airbus A319 will be configured with 150 seats, with the possibility of increasing to 156, compared to 149 on the Boeing 737-700
Options for larger sized Airbus A320 and Airbus A321 at pre-agreed prices.
ERAU Pilot From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 39072 times:
Well I didn't see this one coming. Airbus must have made them a deal they simply couldn't refuse. I sure wouldn't want to be stuck on an A319 for very long with 156 seats squeezed in it, most airlines operate only 150 seats on the A320. But, I guess it will be interesting to see the A319 painted up in easyjet orange!
BestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7434 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 39058 times:
They are using the Swiss operation first as it will not be affected by the changes currently happening in EasyJet regarding the merger of GO. Because of this the Pilots have only one thing to worry about.... A319 conversion.
When the UK settles down (in 18 months time or so), then will be the time to introduce the new aircraft.
Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 39006 times:
The worst aviation news I've read in a while...
Well, so long easyjet. In 20 year's time, they'll be laughing at this low-cost airline that could have been No 1 in Europe and failed it all. Stelios is smart to slowly get out of it while it's still overvalued...
Somehow easyjet management seem a bit megalomanic: Taking over Go (at inflated post 11/9 prices) was a big step. Getting an option on dba would, if they go through with that merger as well, be another big step. Buying an entire fleet of aircraft of a different type to their current fleet? Could any worse management decision be made at this point? They're pretty much going to choke - overzealous expansion will ruin the airline.
Low-cost no-frills airlines were underestimated for years. Now, after the 11/9 restructuring of the airline industries, they're way overestimated and overvalued - a stock market bubble waiting to burst, like IT companies a few years ago.
Tullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 38981 times:
Ikarus, I think you may be half-right. Lo-cos are undoubtedly over-valued at the moment but the difference between them and the hi-techs is that lo-cos are making real money at the moment. Unfortunately the hi-techs never did.
As far as the Airbus selection is concerned, it will be a few years before we know if it the right decision. It is a point of difference between Ezy and Ryanair so it will be interesting to see who pulled the right rein.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 38989 times:
I think they looked at the success of JetBlue and Frontier and that helped decide for them.
While I too wonder about the kind of cabin you'll get with 150 pax in an A319, do not forget that it will be a single class cabin.
And huge numbers of seats are not that uncommon. Charter layouts regularly put 20% more seats in an aircraft than would be feasible in a regular layout (and lowcost nofrills carriers like Easyjet operate similar cabins usually).
For example, SobelAir puts about 270 pax in a 767-300, where KLM (also not known for the very roomy interiors) gets no further than about 220.
Just going to single class will gain you about 50% extra seats in the part of the cabin that would otherwise hold the businessclass seats.
Rick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 38886 times:
This also finally means eventually in the winter easy will be able to continue operation on those foggy days at Luton. The airport is very susceptible to fog, and it is such a shame to have all those orange 737s diverting to other airports whilst the likes of Monarch A320s and ourselves trundle on in with CATIIIb autoland...
The 73's just can't hack it in the thick fog...
Also I find the minibus a far smoother ride from a passenger point of view than the 737, flies like it's on rails...
I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
- easyJet estimates the A319 would achieve an approximate 10% improvement per aircraft over the existing Boeing 737 operating cost base (measured per available seat kilometre)
- Airbus to provide extensive support so that the introduction of the A319 to be no more expensive than the B737-700 in the first two years
- Airbus backed maintenance program means cost not higher than Boeing
- Airbus assistance reduces residual value risk on remaining 10 owned B737-300s.
Basically Airbus has given them a deal they can't refuse and Boeing didn't loose by not getting this order because their B737's are already well established with other low-costs such as RyanAir and Southwest Airlines.
Airblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 38867 times:
Airbus A319 will be configured with 150 seats, with the possibility of increasing to 156
150 seats.... it seem very cramped compared to the current 144 seats used by some charter airlines.
I think it's very unlikely they will put 156 seats cause that means one more FA and 4 FA's for 156 pax are 1 every 39 pax.
Turin_airport From Italy, joined Oct 2001, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 38805 times:
Well, it's good to see how some so called aviation fan reacts to a positive aviation news (no airline closing, no air crash, etc, but just an airline choosing a new plane...). Or is something related to that particular company based in Toulose?
: Perhaps the most Important for Airbus is that they undermined the Boeing promoted picture Airbus is for "expensive" carriers (SR, BA, LH, AF) and 737
: The City doesn't like this news ... EZY shares currently down 8p. http://www.londonstockexchange.com/landmark/EastAnglia/company_EastAnglia.asp?sedol=
: One thing does worry me though: EADS is essentially footing the entire bill to convert from the 737 to the A319. A bill that could exceed €100,000,0
: I also expect easyJet to get the slots the are looking for at Paris Orly now. I once heard Webster would have been in Paris to talk to the transport m
: and what is to happen with the 737s? It says there are keeping them to use them "interchangeably"...but that doesn't seem realistic. Don't lowfare car
: By the way, I just saw the official announcement, and Easy-Jet is only stating an INTENTION to buy Airbus, but also adds that the terms of the deal st
: I hear they´ll install an additional pair of overwing exits for the increased capacity. Daniel
: About the extra seats, maybe they are going to find the space by removing some of the galleys. They sell some drinks and sandwiches. They do not serve
: EZY's shares are now down 14p, after having been down 17.5p! There's a lot of uncertainty about how EZY plans to fund this purchase, and if a rights i
: I think Airbus has thought of their own production capacity in this deal. By selling that many planes they can avoid having to trim down their produc
: Mmmmh. I looked at the press release again. Basically, they say that Airbus is the preferred manufacturer - nothing been signed yet, and everything is
: Two things: 1) will the 319 one day outnumber the 320? 2) I guess this order ensures Airbus wins the 2002 orderbook `race'.
: I had hoped to see them go for further 737's since we have enough airlines with the A32X here in europe ny now... When I read the statement on their w