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Cold War Between SN Brussels And Virgin Ex?  
User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

It looks like there is a cold war going on between SN Brussels Airlines and Virgin Express.

In their press release from today, an anouncement of the winter schedule, Virgin thanks all the customers who have choosen VEX in the past for their flights to London Heathrow.
Virgin appologizes that they can't offer anymore flights to London Heathrow due to the SN Brussels/BA deal and also appologizes.... that the passengers have to pay higher fares now that Virgin can't sell LHR anymore... So they accuse indirect SN Brussels of asking high fares for LHR flights...






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User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Well, I think this is just another marketing trick...VEX profiles itself as a low-cost carrier and hence they have to say things like this once in a while.

But yes, SN BA and VEX's agreement is coming to an end, so they are no longer partners, but competitors...which means war Big grin

By the way, me and Tom'll be flying VEX to/from LHR next Sunday.



Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3259 times:
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Just another childish game from a low cost carrier. They can't stand losing a battle, that's it.

From my point of view, LHR is not a place for a low cost. VEX should be happy that former Sabena deal allowed them to sell LHR seats for more than 5 years.

F.B



Life is great at 41.000 feet...
User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

Virgin apologizes that they can't offer anymore flights to London Heathrow due to the SN Brussels/BA deal and also apologizes.... that the passengers have to pay higher fares now

If they are sure to offer better fares than SNBA, they could start to fly to STN or LGW. So they could continue to fly to London and offer cheap fares.



User currently offlineSpitfire From France, joined Feb 2001, 801 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

At last one of the big mistakes of Paul Reutlinger is gone...too late for Sabena unfortunately !! VEX cabin crew and service never got the requested standard for Sabena's business pax...Tons of complains!!


Sabena ... Never to be forgotten (12 years already , what a shame !! )
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

One of the biggest mistakes VEX made was to tie itself up with Sabena....how can you be a 'low-cost' carrier (VEX fare weren't that cheap anyway), whilst also offering to interline/codeshare/offer a separate business class cabin?! It's crazy....

The second biggest mistake was establishing a base in Belgium, where labour costs are very high, and laws inflexible...I'm not saying the laws are 'bad', but they certainly are a disadvantage to a low-cost carrier, which VEX never really was.


User currently offlineLuchtzak From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

Hi all,

maybe they can announce a message to all the VEX-passengers: thank God you cannot book a flight with us for LHR because otherwise you will get stuck on those small RJ's with huge discomfort (?)

Quote on the VEX-website:

SN Brussels Airlines uses Avro-aircraft, which are smaller than the Virgin Express-Boeing. We would like to apologise for any discomfort you might experience by travelling in this smaller aircraft. But do remember that by booking Virgin Express you are sure to have paid the best available fare.

Maybe a lesson for VEX: if you dig a hole....

greetings!

luchtzak





User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Hehe Luchtzak, I was just going to display that message. I posted it already in another thread some weeks ago.

Unbelieveble but true...

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineAirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3122 times:


Seems like most Belgians would like VEX to go away,... but if it was to go away foreign based low cost carriers will quickly take over the flights from/to Brussels. Their operating cost (free from Belgian Labor laws) will be substantially lower than SNBA ...

airDD


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

AirDD:

Seems like most Belgians would like VEX to go away

Source?

Ivan




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User currently offlineLuchtzak From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

AirDD:

Everybody likes Vex' good (?) prizes to lots of European destinations, we just want them to compete on a less agressive way. Making false allegations isn't correct, right? If you look my previous message in this topic you will see why.

And I prefer Vex iso Easyjet, Ryanair, etc...

greetings,

luchtzak


User currently offlineA330DAT From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

SN Brussels Airlines uses Avro-aircraft, which are smaller than the Virgin Express-Boeing. We would like to apologise for any discomfort you
might experience by travelling in this smaller aircraft.


Really??? Those remarks from Virgin are really cheap! It's like they invented flying!!! Duhhhh...

Everyone should ask themselves "What's the use flying bigger jets when every passenger onboard has LESS space??"

The slogan should be:

"WE FLY BIGGER JETS WITH SMALLER SEATS"
 Nuts

or


"We would NOT like to apologise for any discomfort you might experience by NOT travelling to LONDON HEATHROW, OUR MOST PROFITABLE ROUTE, BUT HEY...WE FLY BOEING..."

 Yeah sure



User currently offlineLuchtzak From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

No more replies ?

guess that A330DAT has made a very good reply  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

greetings,

luchtzak


User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

Hi,

About... SN Brussels Airlines uses Avro-aircraft, which are smaller than the Virgin Express-Boeing. We would like to apologise for any discomfort you might experience by travelling in this smaller aircraft.

I have the feeling that most customers are going to believe what VEX is saying here. It's a very simple 'rule' for most passengers : a bigger plane on the outside must be a better, more comfortable plane and more spacious on the inside.

Regards, SN-A330





I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

ahhh, the biterness of a broken relationship.

What ever will become of VEX?



User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2869 times:
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Moreover, VEX 737's are looking very cramped and old inside right now...

They souldn't boast too much about flying those airplanes. It's more a bus than an pax airplane.
The AVRO is not the best airplane from a pax point of view, I conceed (noise level inside, smaller bins, increased flight times,...) but it's more comfortable than a VEX 737 once you're seated.

F.B



Life is great at 41.000 feet...
User currently offlineLuchtzak From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2844 times:


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those 2 need a paintjob!

luchtzak


User currently offlineAamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

I quite like the Avros, i dont like the 737s as much.
So that argument would never win me over.
With regards to the paint comment, its time for VEX to repaint its entire fleet, what we want is something new, something stylish, something....
 Wow!

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Eurowhite  Nuts

Regards,
A^A MD-11


User currently offlineGroholsky From Belgium, joined May 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Luchtzak,

you better stop your "gamineries". You started very well this topic but now it is turning ridiculous...(referring to "those 2 need a paintjob") Indeed your company has a beautiful(???) new paintscheme but if 30% of the pilot's salary is needed for that...Then shame on your company !!!

So keep your comments objective, and congrats for your site !!!


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Hasn't VEX already new colours?

Check this one out:

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It is a bit confusing. Some say that it is an ex-Virgin Blue with VEX titles, and others say that those are the new VEX colours  Confused

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2808 times:


It is a bit confusing. Some say that it is an ex-Virgin Blue with VEX titles, and others say that those are the new VEX colours

I think it's an ex Virgin Blue a/c and actually, now that I look at it, I like these colours much better than the simple red/white VEX colour scheme.

Regards, SN-A330




I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineA330DAT From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

SN-A330 - I have the feeling that most customers are going to believe what VEX is saying here. It's a very simple 'rule' for most passengers : a bigger
plane on the outside must be a better, more comfortable plane and more spacious on the inside.



I'm afraid you're right about that one SN-A330. Trying to fool the customers backfires sooner or later.

Sabena 690 - Hello Frederic, you're right, the new VEX colors are adapted ex-Virgin Blue colors. The aircraft returned from V Blue in those colors and it was decided to apply the same to the rest of the fleet (eventually) All fonts (letter types) and signs have also been adapted, being the same font and style as Virgin blue and Virgin Atlantic.


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OO-VEP however still needs to adapt the thin blue line on the tail.



 Smokin cool


User currently offlineLuchtzak From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Groholsky,

I just wanted to make a statement here: if you have to write down on your official website that some flights are with SN Brussels Airlines and that they are apologising for the dicomfort you might experience by travelling in this smaller aircraft. Vex should also consider that a plane where the red paint has practically disappeared isn't good advertising as well. Hope this explains the implementation of those 2 pics.

greetings,

luchtzak


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Thanks a lot, A330DAT!!

Regards,
Frederic


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