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Pick One: LH A340 Or AA 777  
User currently offlineUsa4624 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 280 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

I will be flying DFW - FRA, and have narrowed my choices to LH and AA. I have always liked the A340, and have never been on one, but I've heard AA MRTC makes it the better choice.

Which would you prefer and why?

Of course, if you see any better options, let suggest them too  Acting devilish

43 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
User currently offlineDutchDeltaDude From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

I have flown both the 340 and the 777 and if I had the choice, I would pick the 777. It's a fabulous aircraft. And no, I will not give you my reasons, for then I will end up in a Boeing vs. Airbus discussion, and I have better things to do today  Smile

User currently offlineDutchDeltaDude From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

By the way, if you fly coach, you should definately book American: the extra legroom is very pleasant on these long flights!

User currently offlineMilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1102 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

I think this will sum this up for you...

LH A340 coach - Seat pitch 32"
AA 777 MRTC - Seat pitch 35"-36"

If you wish to splurge, BA via LGW will give you the best 1st class product of all 3 from DFW.

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

Read some of the long haul trip reports on A.NET about LH and how medicore at best their service is (in coach) then pick AA for a much beeter experience.

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

Take AA's B777! I have just returned from an AA trip to LAX, I had AA's B777 on the LHR-ORD and DFW-LGW legs. Read my trip reports to find out more.

Just some reasons why AA's B777 is miles ahead of LH's A340:

- MRTC gives you a lot of room, actually more than any other long haul carrier
- AA's meal service is great, I probably have had some of the best airline meals on AA
- PTVs in every seat with 10 video channels, plus flight map channel. Great choice of movies which are restarted every two and a half hours. LH just gives you two movies, and you have to watch them, when THEY decide to show them.
- B777 gives you a better flying experience, more powerful at take off, more room in the whole cabin.

Don't take LH, it's not worth the money,


User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Didn't AA cancel the MRTC again since they have to fill those planes up again so that they can earn more and reduce costs?

You are from Texas so AA will probably always be your first option so why not take something else which isn't always an option.

I have flown both the A340 and the 777 (both nearly full) and have to admit that I prefer the cabin of the A340 over the 777 (I must admit I am now thinking about my US A333 flight... not quite an A340 though...)


User currently offlineSpotterboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4493 times:

I was flying Lufthansa several times...(won't do it again..) and American triple seven's on ZRH-DFW , FRA-ORD,...
I would prefer the AA B777...

1) Lufthansa has very bad service (no PTV's , also in Business... )  Pissed
2) You have very baad leg room in the LH widebodies.
3) Their meals are not that good as these from American.


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4480 times:

I haven't heard about AA cancelling the MRTC program. I have just had flights on B777s, B738 and Super 80 and there was a loooot of legroom...

LH's seat pitch in Economy is really bad, I think only few carriers like Iberia are even worse...


User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

Lufthansa has very bad service (no PTV's , also in Business... )

I flew Business on Lufthansa already back in 1995 and I had my PTV. Not any on demand yet but I had it and they havn't removed them since then.
I know that some people here really seem to call LH's service next to terrible but I know for sure that it isn't the case. Well not the best I admit but still very good and expect Lufthansa to really improve soon. Ohh by the way... if you want to be here at a.net you better book Lufthansa as they will soon offer internet access (for free for the first three monts) on flights to North America (and Asia?).


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

Oh, free internet on LH? I guess for First and Business pax only, and they have to bring their own laptop to use it, right?
Other airlines will soon offer internet access via PTVs in every seat, JAL, SIA and Virgin will be the first to offer it to ALL pax.


User currently offlineAdh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

I flew FRA DFW on an LH A340 in May 2001.

The service was not bad but some of the flight attendants were a litte snippy. The problem with LH boils down to the amenities.

The leg room was horrible. When the women in front of me reclined, her head was so close I could have styled her hair. I am not kidding.

Also, they did not have PTV on every seat. Rather, the entertainment was displayed on the main screen only.

Thus my conclusion is AA. MRTC and PTV at every seat is a far superior product to LH.

On a another point, MRTC is alive and well at AA. They are still advertising this heavily and I have not heard of them spending money to reconfigure aircraft to the No Room Throughout Coach option all other airlines provide.


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

well, although i travel frequently on Lufthansa, which has less to do that i enjoy their service in economy (i do not at all). i do like their business and first, though, but that is certainly still not comparable to SQ or VS or whoever.

i´ve also traveled often on AA and if there´s an economy class i traveled on which is worse than Lufthansa´s, it´s AA´s. i can speak only of my own experience...

i would suggest if you do fly economy, don´t take AA or LH. well, if you go nonstop, than there´s no other choice, i realize.


If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4424 times:

Thank you for updating me on the MRTC matter. So it seems as if that was the only thing alive and well at AA then... I do hope that the US Aviation scene recovers soon though (including all the other suffering airlines there).

PTV's or not I wanna go for the oldest I can get... I wanna fly LH FRA-YVR-FRA as long as the 747-200 still does that run.

Your own laptop means that you can also download onto your computer and do personal stuff while you could just go a little surfing but not really use the internet on the PTV option for stuff you would otherwise do at home.


User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Hmm... A Vs. B. Ill have to go with the B.  Big thumbs up

Pershoyu Spravoyu Litaki!
User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5519 posts, RR: 48
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4385 times:

I've always wanted to fly LH over the pond, but I've read some posts on here that makes me think otherwise. I think the MRTC will make a difference on a long haul flight....choose AA.

User currently offlineMikkel777 From Norway, joined Oct 2002, 370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 4350 times:

i was on a FRA-DTW A340 300 flight in june 2002, and even though i was at an emergency row, the flight felt terrible. the service was the worst i've experienced, and the yellow cabin is not pretty at all. bad music, bad movie, bad magazines. almost felt happy entering a mesaba SAAB 340 later that day.

go for the 777

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 4339 times:


when you claim that AA's economy is worse than LH's, then I must ask you: are you referring to AA's B777? If yes, then you must have slept during your last flights...
Probably their B763 economy is crap, but not the B777's...


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6247 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 4339 times:

Honestly, I would fly USAirways. They offer the A330-300, which was a magnificent plane on my trip to Rome. Granted, you'll have to stop in Philladelphia. I too, by the way, live in Dallas. Well, I am going to school in Longview now, but it certainly won't ever be my hometown!

But the US a333 was nice and it's PTV beats all others!

If nonstop is your only option, I would probably go for the AA 777. I have not flown either the AA777 or the LF340, but I think I would pick the first. I fly American all the time, so miles would also play a role. But MRTC is a nice nice nice thing.


User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

I've made economy-class runs on LH's 742s as recently as 1998, and the seat pitch was so terrible, it was actually funny. My LH 744 coach flights were far more pleasant.

LH's Service? I have no complaints. They didn't massage my calves and feet for me, but they DID give me free Beck's the whole way across the pond. I would've liked a PTV, but whadaya want for $600?

So- Service? fine. Legroom- horrible on the 742. Typical on the 744.

"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4253 times:

AA still offers US destinations for as less as €450 plus tax from Germany. Includes one stop at any AA gateway each way (sure, you can get the nonstops as well), includes B777 flights (with all their features in Economy), and if you don't fly from FRA, it even includes BA connections through LHR.
Not bad for €450...


User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4248 times:

Hey, funny you should ask this question, as I will be flying AA70 tomorrow, OCT. 16th DFW-FRA on a 777 and returning on AA71 Oct. 21 also on a 777. Why would I chose AA over LH? Well, the AA777 to me is a far superior aircraft on the inside than the LH 340. Private TV's on every seat. Better coach product with ample legroom, and lemme tell yah, you CAN tell a difference. Try Delta across the pond if you can't. Not to mention, your flight will most likely be shorter on the 777 since it travels at a faster speed than the A340, not by much though. Also, it depends on where your loyalties are. Mine are with AA, therefore I get great mileage and get to keep my gold status. However, I will tell you, I have flown AA, BA, DL, CO, LH, Swissair, KE, UA, CX, and AA has them all beat as far as legroom in economy. Food might be better on some, but when it comes down to it, I prefer ample space.

Ill let you know how the trip goes.


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1880 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (13 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

Usa4624, it looks like you will have much more chances to fly on 777 (or flew on it already) than on 340. So, take the Airbus widebody. I had a chance to take it only once, with LH too (the service was not great but, well, nothing bad about it either), and was just glad to fly on something I can hardly take again in near future. I liked 777 better but it is just my personal opinion, 340 is a nice aircraft too...

User currently offlineVermeer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 447 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (13 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

the hearts always wins...

my loyalty is with LH, all the way. Just for the reason that I am European, I feel home flying with them, especially now that I live in the U.S.
I also have to say that I am not expert of their Y product. I can understand it is not the most pampered or sophisticated.

All in all I don't like the more "American" casual service on American, but that is clearly subjective. Plus I have private issues with them ( pilot as ex boyfriend), therefore before I fly them again I think I will swim first if I need to.

nevertheless, I agree that MRTC is a clear advantage ( if the only), therefore go with it.
As for the metal, I like them both, but -again- if I can choose, I will always fly 340's. I like the silence inside and the way they look.

User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1949 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (13 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

No doubt! TAKE THE AMERICAN 777-200ER! The Boeing 777 is the best aircraft.


25 Post contains links Continental : FLY THE LUFTHANSA A340! I flew it last year ORD-MUC, FRA-ORD, and holy crap, IT WAS AWESOME! Here's the report: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/t
26 767er : Shane, I recently flew SIN FRA SIN and I reckon LH long haul is just atrocious. The IFE is just apalling , the Flight Attendants were, I am sure, Nazi
27 AF-A319 : Hi Shane Fly LH!!! American carriers are cutting services due to their poor financial situation. Okay, you won't get a ptv in the A340, but you'll exp
28 Ual747 : I don't understand why you people are saying AA's international service is lacking. It is above standard. Trust me, I've flown a lot of other airlines
29 AndrewAir : I've been on both. I dont like the A340 much. Also AA has more legroom. AA 772 Andrew Mc
30 Udo : What are some people talking about? It is not true at all that AA cut back service in Economy on long haul flights. That's pure BS from people who hav
31 Andreas : ...is that some kind of economy plus or enhanced economy or what? Because if so, there must be a difference in airfare. Anyway I'd be interested in th
32 Parisien : MRTC of AA I think is very much around as I have seen the ad at least twice this week in international european newspapers. For long haul, the most im
33 KUGN : I had wonderful experiance in LH A340 on ORD-MUC line. Althouth there were no PTVs, everything else was great. If you like techno music, you'll like t
34 Godbless : With this thread alone I have noticed the Udo will do anything to rip apart Lufthansa and there will be nothing that could change his opinion... Not e
35 TK : I don't care much about service to be honest, just give me an A340. The 777 is a nice plane but I prefer the A330/A340. Who cares about speed anyway?
36 Sabena332 : MRTC is an invention by AA, it means: More Room Throughout Coach. American Airlines has removed some rows in the Economy Class to offer their passenge
37 Na : Both aircraft are fine, none is better than the other. I prefer Quads over Twins on long routes, so my choice is easy, especially as a LH frequent tra
38 Rai : I have never flown AA's 777, but I have flown with LH A340's. I wasn't too impressed with LH's service. I found some of the attendants to be rude and
39 Post contains images KLAX : I've flown AF across the pond, both in 777s and 777s, and their service sucks. I flew UA 77s from LA to CDG, and there service was on a par with that
40 Udo : Godbless, I can certainly change my opinion on LH...as soon as LH starts to change. I will wait for their A340-600s...but I guess they will never reac
41 Post contains images Zionstrat : Usa4624 This one is easy and I've got the credentials to prove it I hate domestic AA with a passion and you can search threads if you want to know mor
42 Andreas : ...seems like a good idea to give longhaul markets a little kick in order to make flying comfortable for people bigger than 5 foot 3! Regards Andreas
43 RIX : Well, my experience with LH is very small, only two flights, ARN-FRA and FRA-JFK, and the service was, as I wrote above, neither great nor bad, but, a
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