ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
Hey BA,
This is really great news as for UA were daily nonstop from DEN-HNL flight as for now And opreate on the B777 by Sat/Sun only with more than of 348 passengers goes on the aircraft. So I really very wonderful to hear as from United were doing very outstanding with the routes. So do you even need get more new nonstop anytime soon. Well, later!!
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2098 times:
I've heard there will be some Hawaii expansion from DEN in the coming year.
I think you will see OGG happen. Most probably seasonal, but possibly even year-round. Maybe on weekends it would be year-round, and during the winter season it will be daily. Who knows.
Saturday seasonal KOA service is coming up soon.
Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2066 times:
Trickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2039 times:
I agree... why not the three-class 767?
Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2037 times:
Trickijedi,
United operates 2-class 767s and 777s to Hawaii simply because Hawaii is an extremely low-yielding market and the only way to make money, is by having lots of capacity.
Most passengers who fly to Hawaii are doing it for leisure purposes and not business purposes which means there is significantly less demand for the premium classes (First and Business).
Infact, what may possibly even be more profitable is a single-class 767. All Economy. I think a few of the major carriers such as CO, DL, and UA were considering it in the past.
Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
United_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7158 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1992 times:
This should also take some pressure off LAX and SFO departures to HNL freeing up more seats to LAX/SFO from DEN.
'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1971 times:
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1867 times:
There's another article in the Denver Post today about the new Hawaii service:
John From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1366 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1834 times:
I wouldn't think a 767-300 or 777 could take off with a full load of passengers and fuel from Maui's short 7,000 foot runway, NON-STOP to Denver, could it? I know OGG-LAX/SFO flights with these aircraft, are served on a regular basis. Do you think a NON-STOP DEN is pushing the limits from that runway? Just curious.
AA7771stClass From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 292 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1840 times:
John--
AA/TWA sends a 763 daily out of OGG both to DFW and STL nonstop. I think the planes have plenty of legs to make the trip to DEN out of 7000' feet.
HA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 645 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1827 times:
"Supposidly Hawaiian has been interested in serving DEN from HNL, but with United launching daily service, I think this will discourage them."
Even with these flights, I wouldn't be surprised if HA decides to go ahead and start their own DEN-HNL flights either on their own with the 763ER's or with a codeshare partner like CO or one of the other partner airlines. It is a well known fact that HA is looking to expand their route network further with the new 767's. I think the 767's in the new HA colors would look beautiful in DEN
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1818 times:
HA_DC9,
That is true. However, I don't think the market warrants 2 daily flights on 767s.
And United has a huge advantage over Hawaiian on the DEN-HNL market. For one, lots of loyal United Frequent Flyers in Denver, and of course PLENTY of connection opportunities to the rest of the United States.
I have heard that United wants to expand Hawaiian service from Denver.
A couple months ago they announced seasonal Saturday service to Kona (KOA), and now they announced daily service to Honolulu. I'm guessing OGG will be next, and it would be a logical choice.
Infact, I could see OGG operating daily for at least the winter season, and weekend service the rest of the year. Or possibly daily year-round service if they really want to compete with American Airlines from STL and DFW.
While business travel is down, the leisure market is doing very well. Infact, even better than last year.
This is why Frontier is starting service to Cancun and Mazatlan and why United is expanding Hawaii service.
Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
KaiTakFan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1813 times:
Those 767 are not full of fuel, and the 777 isnt even close to full fuel load. The weight from fuel should not be a problem at all over in Maui to get off the runway.
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