USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1831 posts, RR: 9 Posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1736 times:
I was thinking the other day, and came up with an interesting way that US Airways and United Airlines could get around the US Justice Department's ban on a merger of the two...
Assuming US Airways joins Star Alliance, which is very likely to happen next year, all of the current member airlines could purchase a stake in US Airways, as is fairly common with alliances. All of those 14 airlines combined would own a pretty hefty share of US, and since UA is in the country, they could get a larger stake than the others. Then all of the members could sell their shares to UA, buy more, do the same, and eventually get United to own more than 50% of US Airways, and then United could integrate US into their system. In my opinion, our government is stupid enough not to notice or simply look the other way while this occured.
I am a huge US Airways fan, as evidenced by my nick, and definately do not want to see US get swallowed up by United, but I view this as something that could possibly happen. What do you guys think?
Aamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1055 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1724 times:
Well, maybe the government is a bit preoccupied at this time. maybe it would work.
Chances of it happening? i'd say very slim.
It all assumes the other airlines will want to stump up some cash to buy part of US, will they be willing to do that?
And even then, would it get clearance from competition authorities?
I think AA would have something to say about it, maybe just bring it to someones attention.
Maybe we will see neither airline this time next year.
We just dont know.
Lowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1695 times:
Won't work, it would still need to be approved by the DOJ for one airline to take up a certain percentage of another airline. And there are many politicians who won't allow it(In AZ, GA, TX, OH, etc.), coupled with the fact that foreign companies can't own more than 25% of an airline at any one time.
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4438 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1642 times:
Something to keep in mind. ATSB funs CAN be used for mergers & aquisitions. The ATSB CAN recommend that a M&A take place as part of the loan approval requirements. RSA will own nearly 38% of US Airways after the reorganization. RSA is also backed up with a value of over $24 billion. UA will be bankrupt by mid-January unless something happens with in weeks. Who knows where we go from here. UA could pick up assets of US, or visa versa. STAR could also pool funds together to invest in a lower-cost US Airways and position them to grow (through internal or M&A means) in the US.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1831 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1484 times:
Regarding US Airways joining Star, and Aamd11's comments, this is on United's website:
"Will US Airways join the Star Alliance?
Our agreement has a provision that provides for United supporting US Airways membership in the Star Alliance. US Airways cannot join Star until it has implemented 90 percent of its code share with United, or 12 months after the code-share agreement is in place."
And this is on US Airways' website:
"When will US Airways become a full member of the Star Alliance?
US Airways' first priority is to implement a successful code share with United, in both U.S. and international markets. Once this program is well underway, a process will begin to allow US Airways to become a member of the Star Alliance, a global alliance of airlines that includes Air Canada, Air New Zealand, ANA, Austrian, bmi british midland, Lauda, Lufthansa, Mexicana, SAS, Singapore, THAI, Tyrolean, and Varig in addition to United. This process should begin in the second year of US Airways' relationship with United."
So, as you can see, it is not, as Aamd11, said: "Its just one mans speculation. It is pure speculation from forum members!"
Cloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1437 times:
To summarize -
Codeshare - not only likely or rumored but actually planned and announced.
Merger - unlikely. There are huge initial costs to a merger. Merger costs were a factor in Continental's bankruptcy, and they are a thorn in A&A's side today now that it has swallowed up TWA's assets. Mergers also introduce allot of labor issues that are a pain to deal with - like deciding where employees of the acquired carrier will show up on the seniority lists.
New costs and labor issues are the last thing United and UsAir need at this time. Merger issues would end up being the anvil that broke the camels back - resulting in the liquidation of both carriers.
The merger scheme described, even if legal, would result in allot of litigation. Litigation is like war - really bloody, time consuming and expensive even if you are right and end up winning. This is another thing United does not need right now.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1405 times:
This would be illegal. To be an air carrier, a company must meet certain citizenship requirements: certain amount of voting must be held by US citizens, the officers of the company must be US citizens, and so on. The deal would not work at the outset. Even if the foreign carriers held less than 50% collectively and then tried to sell it to UA, yes even the government would notice.