AirFranceJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 475 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1234 times:
Out of curiosity, why is Air India so attractive? I mean, they have route rights to many destinations but they don't use them. Their network, although stretching across continents is very small, when you consider how many cities they serve and their planes and service isnt quite top of the line, so umm, whats so attractive about them, maybe I'm missing something.
DeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1224 times:
I am going to have to say the same thing as AirFranceJFK, Air India in my opinion does not bring much to the table for SkyTeam. A short term alliance may be possible, but as for a long term association... I think not.
Airbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1211 times:
I agree... There are quite a few airlines that flies to different destinations of India from neighbouring countries and from the Middle East. Alliances with these airlines who flies to various destinations in India would make more sense, I believe. And at most, some code sharing with domestic Indian airlines.
Do you agree? I maybe wrong but thats what I think
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1174 times:
I don't think that the question should be about why Air India is attractive to SkyTeam, but more why Air India should care about an alliance anyway?
Simply put, the market AI has targeted as a top priority is the low-yield, high-volume ex-pat labor and VFR markets which every major alliance pretended did not exist until the economic downturn happened. AI does a damn good job catering to that market and has been able to operate PROFITABLY now that they have operationally streamlined themselves to that role. They are ABSOLUTELY DOMINANT in the Middle East to India market which is already HUGE and will continue to grow as both regions develop further.
AI's passengers aren't the international jetsetters that the alliances crave. The airline puts a minimal amount of premium seats in their planes, concentrating intead upon volume. Well over 90% of their passengers are O&D traffic for India. An alliance doesn't help AI much at all, but AI brings HUGE worth to an alliance. That's why Skyteam and oneworld are courting Air India and not the other way around.
United777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1648 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1163 times:
I think Delta AirLines and Air France will benefit alot with the alliance with Air India. Both Delta AirLines and Air France fly to India and could Air India could offer good connections to cities in India from Delhi and Mumbai (Bombay).
Also isn't Air India starting Paris-Newark flights from India. Will that flight be with a partnership with AI and Air France?
I think India has one of the fastest growing markets in aviation and airlines are now seeing that. Airlines are either expanding to more cities in India and airlines want more partnerships with India's airlines like Air India.
Jet Airways has a huge partnership with Northwest Airlines and KLM Royal Dutch Airlines.
Air India has big partnerships with Singapore Airlines, Malaysia Airlines and Asiana Airlines.
You are hearing more often than before airlines expanding to India and not just to Delhi, Kolcata and Mumbai but to Hyderabad, Bangalore, Cochin and Chennai.
I think Air India would be a great fit in the SkyTeam! I would have to agree with DeltaBoy777 the partnership will be short!
Tkmce From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1129 times:
Low Yield, High Volume for Middle east is fine, but how long will AI continue to hold on to this? The market is now getting extrmeley competitive and with a player like Qatar (QR) aggressively attacking it, can AI sustain themselves on such a route! QR in addition to daily frequencies to TRV and BOM also now has rights to HYD and COK. The prices AI and QR are offering are ridiculous (to the benefit of pax allright) but it is going to be a wonder whether they can have a long term profit. And now with GF and WY also getting into the act, not to forget IC serving SHJ from virtually all corners of India and even getting into DXB, does this single minded focus on on the low yield traffic be a long term strategy for AI?
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1097 times:
I'm think that want for Air India and Air France & Delta will might join for the skyteam alliance and if they are very like it with Delta, too. And I am sure they are doing talking about it with Air India of the this weeks and you will find out and please let us know! Thanks!!
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1052 times:
Are AI really that dominant in the MidEast market? They have about 70 weekly flights out of India to the Gulf, but then Emirates has 38 now and just got approval for another 4 out of Kerala, Gulf Air have 28 services out of Bombay alone, and other carriers like Saudia fill up their high volume 747s with 3 daily flights out of India. Plus, these carriers fly larger aircraft than AI does.
Even as far as the VFR traffic goes (myself included), its so much more convenient to hop onto a major European out of the US, than schlep my butt out to JFK for an AI flight. However, if AI were in an alliance (with the convenience of FF miles thrown in), I would be more likely to fly AI on my twice annual India trips.
United777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1648 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 1038 times:
They could offer connections to the Middle East where Air India dominates other than of course the airlines in the Middle East like Emirates and Gulf Air.
AI could also offer connections in India which I think is the fastest growing market in the world. Both Delta AirLines and Air France fly to India and AI could offer good connections in India from Mumbai and Delhi. Also Air India could also benifit alot where they want to expand more Europe and North America.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 985 times:
Each of the individual ME carriers dominates its own home market and has minor presence in each of the others. Air India is one of the few airlines that serves EVERY major MidEast market (DXB, AUH, MCT, BAH, DOH, DHA, RUH, JED, KWI) not just from BOM but from secondary gateways as well. Sure, EK operates 40 flights/week to India but those flights not only carry their India-DXB traffic, but also ALL onward connecting traffic to other MidEast destinations plus Europe etc... All AI's flights to the Middle East are predominantly O&D, something that is not true of EK, QR, WY, GF and whatever latest upstart showed up. So yes, AI does DOMINATE the India-MidEast market.
AI isnt exclusively focussing on this low-yield high-volume traffic, but is using it as the core markets upon which other focus markets can be identified. That is sound business sense.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 915 times:
Which reminds me... I have reservations on the AI service from Newark to Bombay in the first week of March next year in J-Class (I also have tentative reservations on NW via AMS). Does anyone know what AI's new Business Class product will look like?
Notdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 915 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 909 times:
What are tentative reservations? Is that like making a double booking on two different airlines for the same date and either cancelling or not cancelling the reservation and possibly taking a seat for somebody else that may really need to fly on this date or are you going to occupy two seats to India on the same day and same time on two different airlines.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 897 times:
It means that I am dishing out $ 4200 for my ticket to India. And since I am writing a big fat check, I have the luxury of ignoring your sanctimonious little lecture, because both airlines will be pretty happy to have my heinie esconced in one of their seats - especially during a shoulder season.
So, if anyone has any information if AI's new Biz Class product will take to the skies by then, I would be very happy to learn about it. After BA, flat or nearly flat is the way to go ! Incidentally, BA are considerably more expensive than the competition to India.