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Delays...whos Fault Are They?  
User currently offlineChe From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 537 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 841 times:

This morning I was flipping through channels and saw something on MSNBC. It was a report about the increasing number of delays. The airlines blamed delays on the old ATC equipment. The ATC blamed the delays on the airlines saying that they schedule too many flights in a short amount of time. They both agreed that weather caused delays. What y'all think is it the airlines,ATC,or both?

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User currently offlineMIKEYYZ From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 765 times:


Well i agree that Weather causes delays of course, aircraft problem's can be another but i think that between ATC or the Airlines i think that airlines are more at fault because you can't have everyone take-off at 1700, or wanting to land 2 hour before that. That's why i think more and more airlines are now flying into and out of airport's before or after the rush hour. (or at least at YYZ)


MIKEYYZ


User currently offlineAirliners rule From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 763 times:

Another reason its airlines fault is because they all want to go into the same airport when there is another airport about 50miles away thet is fully capable example they all fly into yyz when yhm is so close. The airport authorities or the local govenment should force them to split it up if possible.

User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5066 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (14 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 749 times:

too many planes. Just like too many cars at rush hour on the los angeles freeway, there can be too many planes lined up to land and take off. this is due to the ever increasing passenger counts. and more flights.

I watched traffic at ATL at evening rush hour from a perch on the top of the garage....and saw many jets land and line up to get clearance to cross the parallel. Some had to wait 20 minutes!!!! Yes, it is just as bad as being in a car.



Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineSocc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 751 times:

What kind of facilities does YHM have? Runway length, approaches available, controlled or uncontrolled, capacity, CFR (what catagory), and is the airport an authorized facility for the user. Airlines cannot just land anywhere, it has to be listed in the operations specifications (regular, alternate, refueling and provisional). If they do land at an offline airport the crew then needs to get the performance data to be able to leave. The most important determining factor is were the revenue comes from? Are people willing to drive 50 miles to fly out of that airport with limited service? There are a lot of factors involved when looking at service from a certain facility.


User currently offlineMIKEYYZ From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 743 times:


Hamilton is not a big enough airport for large traffic.
Here's some numbers:
Rwy 06/24 6000x150
Rwy 12R/30L 5188x150
Rwy 12L/30R 8000x200
ILS on 12L/30R
They also don't have the best lighting for the rwy's.
No win maintenance rwy 12R/30L
If you have a couple small a/c a day then it shouldn't be a problem but with only 6 taxiways you are going have a problem with Arr and Dep a/c unless YHM goes through a major upgrade, but why when YYZ is right there and going through a major upgrade.
MIKEYYZ


User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 735 times:

There are codes used to justify delays, dozens of them. The most often codes used by airlines are 93 and 81, delay caused by a previous rotation and delay caused by ATC reasons.
This codes appear on MVT messages received on the destination airport before the aircraft arrives, so that the ground handling can be prepared by advance.

Luis, Faro, Portugal


User currently offlineAirliners rule From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 733 times:

Socc YHM is a fully capable airport with cat2 lighting its canada biggest integrated cargo airport its main runways is 10000feet long 24 hour weather service and atc its could handle anything.check out www.yhm.com for more info

User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 730 times:

As everyone knows airlines have been making more and more flights with smaller aircraft instead of making less flights with larger aircraft. Big airports like LAX and NYC airports were already busy with less flights with big airplanes. But now more and more RJs are flying out of the airports; adding more and more flights. There may be enough gates for the flights but their arent enough runways. I think that the fault should be placed on the gov. and airport authorities for letting so many flights into the airports. They should make the airlines consolidate their flights. With most LFs for airlines around 65% there is no doubt in my mind the airlines can do that.

User currently offlineJet Setter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 726 times:

Delays can be caused by anything. Some of the most common are;

Late Passengers
Reactionary delays (aircraft late in from previous trip)
ATC delays
Technical delays
Weather delays
Turnaround delays (late fuelling/loading/catering)

In Europe, most delays are caused by ATC, and areas like Greece and Spain are "black spots" - accounding for a dispoportionate number of delays for the flights they handle. Once an aircraft lands of course, an ATC delay becomes a reactionary delay, so ATC doesn't carry the can for the delay on the next flight - even though it's their fault.

You can't blame airlines for flying into a given airport at the same time, this is because passengers at hubs want short connection times. You also can't say - "fly to an airport 50 miles down the road" Airlines fly where the passengers deman to go, If you land 50 miles from where you want to be, you may be on-time but it will take you an extra hour to get to your final destination! Meaning you were better off flying to the hub and taking the delay.

James


User currently offlineAirliners rule From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 723 times:

Jettsetter yes you can with the case of yyz and yhm because probably 50%of the people that fly into yyz dont even need to be there they just get of the plane and drive 50-60 miles north or south and in somecases even farther because in southern ontario toronto has a about 3.5 million people and the rest of southern ontario has about 6-7 million people and you know what the only airport they can fly to most destinantions from is yyz now that makes absolutly no sence like if you live south of yhm you drive right past it to get to yyz like duh how dumb are these airlines and airports it would be sort of like closeing laguardia or newark and letting jfk and the other one take all the flights.

User currently offlineAirliners rule From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 719 times:

Jettsetter yes you can with the case of yyz and yhm because probably 50%of the people that fly into yyz dont even need to be there they just get of the plane and drive 50-60 miles north or south and in somecases even farther because in southern ontario toronto has a about 3.5 million people and the rest of southern ontario has about 6-7 million people and you know what the only airport they can fly to most destinantions from is yyz now that makes absolutly no sence like if you live south of yhm you drive right past it to get to yyz like duh how dumb are these airlines and airports it would be sort of like closeing laguardia or newark and letting jfk and the other one take all the flights. like ive been to yyz on a weekday around 4:30pm and there where like 30 aircraft waiting to take off with 1and 30min delays.

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