Flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2071 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3068 times:
I don't think we'll be seeing any new cities for ATA/Chicago Express for a while. They had a decent expansion for this year and are poised for a turnaround. I know for Chicago Express, we aren't taking delivery of any more Saabs for a while and are continuing to initiate cutbacks to save money. I also heard that earnings reports will be somewhat grim, but hopefully this 4th quarther, things will be looking upwards. We'll just have to wait and see though.
ALSF 2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 89 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3023 times:
There has been RUMOR (and I stress RUMOR!!) that another city or so and possibly another saab or two in a couple of months. But like everyone above is saying third quarter will hit hard, and everyone in the industry (including the seemingly untouchable Southwest) is predicting an extremely hard forth quarter especially if we go to war. Do NOT expect profitability to return until late 2003-2004 at the earliest. IMHO
Jjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2949 times:
There definitely are a few poor performers in the C8 system. CID should get a little help when UA mainline leaves, although Eagle/AAConnx have a very STRONG presence, considering the airport is in the middle of Iowa! MLI is a fierce city with UA's fare wars, American mainline, AirTran, and a heavy presence by Mesaba. SPI has always seemed a little weak for reasons unknown to me. The champs of the system seem to be DAY, GRR, MKE and the shuttle service to IND.
From what I hear, FNT is outdoing TOL in numbers, but TOL has a leg up on FNT as far as profitability is concerned. Pretty much as expected since C8 is the only carrier to Chicago out of FNT, whereas in TOL we have Eagle RJs to contend with. Considering they just got additional flights along with TOL and FNT, DSM and SBN seem to be doing okay. Especially SBN, since I believe that's the smallest market we serve -- and the closest to Chicago. No clue about MSN or LEX.
Ryan will correct me if I'm wrong, but out of TOL, our weakest flight seems to be the new one -- our first turn of the morning. With the schedule realignment, loads seem to have dropped off on the 345PM departure, which was pushed back 50 minutes.
Mind you, this is all educated conjecture.
On an aside, I took a trip to CLT recently, and that is one mainline city that is doing tremendously well for us. Almost everyone on my morning flights had elite status tags from another major carrier on their bags. In talking with a few customers, people are flying us because of our low last minute fares -- which is just as it should be. CLT is the epitome of a city that will benefit from having ATA in town. MSP is also thriving from what I hear. Look for Jason to comment further.
Going forward, the word is that advance bookings are higher than expected for the rest of the year. Look for more improvements to ATA.com.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6930 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2925 times:
MLI will get even more competitive when Comair begins flying MLI-CVG 3x daily with the CRJ in January. Although, AA is pulling mainline out of MLI.
It's good to hear that CLT is doing well. I kind of figured they were when ATA announced a fourth daily flight. Being a fortress hub, I had my doubts if ATA would be able to find a niche, but apparently they have. It also helps that US is pulling back on transcons out of CLT. Starting in December, there will be no flights CLT-SEA on US....that might help ATA.