MetalBird From Portugal, joined Mar 2002, 29 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3178 times:
Boeing decided to suspend the Sonic Cruiser program, this decision was communicated in Madrid (Spain) by Boeing Vice president for International Relations Pedro Arguelles, he said that Boeing is going to reevaluate the Sonic Cruiser project and the initial date for the first flight is not sure....
Bad times for Boeing......
Its in Portuguese (use translate from portuguese to english from altavista).
Sinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1583 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2993 times:
Here it is in English,
Boeing decided to suspend the construction of its new airplane Sonic Cruiser, announced in the last year as the appositive one of the biggest world-wide manufacturer of airplanes in the counterattack to the super-Jumbo of the Airbus, the A380, that will be the biggest commercial airplane of the world, from 2006, with about 550 places. The confirmation of this measure was made in Madrid for the vice-president of International Relations of the North American aeronautical constructor and director-generality of the Boeing/Espanha, Peter Arguelles, who clarified that the company is to reevaluate the chance of launching of the new airplane, what will be able to afectar, not only its date of entrance to the service, foreseen for 2008, as also its drawing and conception. Boeing decided in the last year to abandon its projecto 747X, that it would competeria with the A380 of the Airbus, to bet in the Sonic Cruiser, an airplane subs??nico, capable to fly the 0,95 mach, and that already it deserved the aerial interest of some company that operates in the long run. Peter Arguelles said that Boeing is to analyze projecto with much detail, in linking with diverse airlines, after what correcta concerning the characteristics of the new device and the date could be taken a resolution more where will be launched. It advanced that concerning the characteristics, Boeing will have to find a situation of commitment between current Boeing 767, with 250 passengers, and an airplane of two pisos. Qunato to the aspects technician of the new device admitted that the market can ask for a more economic airplane less fast e in its exploration, quieter and less aggressive to the environment.
It might be true, But?
First, why would this come in a press release made in Spain to only be covered by a Portuguese paper? Why are the Seattle and Chicago papers quiet?
Second, There are to way too many details in this press release, It talks about Cost , tech, noise, and environmental issues. Most aircraft makers don't tell you why they dropped a program. They just say something, "Market demand did not show a need at this time"
Third, I have read hundreds of Boeing press releases and never read the words "Airbus" "A380" or any other Airbus product. Boeing always uses words like "similar products" "competing aircraft", never company names. They did not do with MDD and they don't do it with Airbus. Airbus for the most part does the same thing.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7918 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2894 times:
I'm not surprised that Boeing has shelved the Sonic Cruiser for now.
Between the higher fuel burn and the fact the plane wouldn't really save that much time in transit, the concept didn't sit too well with airline bean-counters.
I think Boeing ought to seriously look at a Next-Generation 767 that uses the fuselage of the 767 but with new nose, new tail, a new, more efficient wing, and improved technology PW4000's, CF6-80's and Trent 600 engines. Imagine a 767 with the cruising speed of the 747-400 (Mach 0.85) and the range of around 6,800 nautical miles--not a few airlines will be interested.
TransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2886 times:
RayChuang, if they need to develop a replacement for the 767, why not start from scratch? A new fuselage might still end up having a similar diameter, and there seems to be little point in keeping an old fuselage just for old times sake.
I agree with TransSwede. Boeing really wants the 767 replacement to carry side-by-side LD3s, and they are going for new materials technology. If they really do cancel the Sonic Cruiser, they will go for Yellowstone -- and they might do it in a way that allows the Sonic Cruiser to emerge from it later.
Areopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2568 times:
Hydrogen burns with a faint bluish flame, but how about doped fabric and other structure? I have read that most of the Hindenberg's burn victims were burned by the diesel fuel, because the burning hydrogen went up from above them.
Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2401 times:
767 is a very good shell but
- not optimal for cargo (side by side LD3s´)
- not optimal for coach (oversized 7 abreast, too narrow 8 abreast)
- not optimal for Business class & domestic F class (oversized odd 5 abreast, to narrow for new generation 6 abreast)
About 300/330/340 diameter or a liitle wider seems best.
In the mean time (next 5-7 years) traditional 767 users (BA, DL, AA, UAL) will have to follow KLM, AF, LH, NW and many other into buying the excellent 330-200/300 ... 767-400ER was not the right decision ..
AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2253 times:
I fully expect Boeing to suspend the SC but not yet. The thread on Airbus overtaking Boeing featured the Seattle Times story from Sunday that said Phil Condit wanted to talk to more airlines and wouldn't commit until at least mid-2003. They really need to do the conventional speed, lower operating cost 757/767 alternative they've been studying and are likely guaging opinions of that design. The SC should wait until times are better, right now, saving the most money on direct operating costs makes more sense than an incremental speed increase.
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13734 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2129 times:
Boeing has said on Tuesday that the travel slump has not derailed plans to build a new mid-sized airliner. The configuration is to be confirmed at the end of this year. One is the Sonic Cruiser and the other - a more conventional jet.
'We are continuing the development of the technologies and the configurations,' said Lori Gunter, spokeswoman for Boeing's jetliner unit. 'We are getting far enough in our product development that you really need to pick one.'
A report published on a €uropean website this week said that Boeing had suspended the Sonic Cruiser development. Boeing said the report was inaccurate and the reporter apparently misunderstood Boeing spokespeople's comments.
Thumper From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1987 times:
I don't think you will find DL,CO,WIN or many other major U.S.carriers buying Airbus,when the airline industry turns around and they start replacing there fleets most will buy Boeing! The main reason Airbus outsells Boeing now is because the Airlines buying are European.