United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9042 posts, RR: 16 Posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1556 times:
Seems that they are not doing as well as they can. I guess its something to do with the exclusive engine deals they have with General Electric right?
At the first place, why did Boeing sign that deal? They didn't do it with the B 777-200ER/B747-400ER but these two? This is going to hurt Boeing in terms of sales since many B 777s (For example: UA's) are NOT powered by GE Engines.
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1463 times:
Many customers who have RR or P&W powered widebodies will not want to order the exclusive GE90 powered 777-200LR & 300ER. Many who have RR powerplants may go to Airbus for the RR Trent powered A340-500/600. We may see in a few years a PW4000 series powerplant being offered on the new A340 models which might get NW to order them.
Ejazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 716 posts, RR: 35 Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1464 times:
GE agreed to pay half the certification costs for engine exclusivity on the B772LR and B773ER.
SIA did ask Boeing for the RR on the above models and delayed signing for the A340-500 in the hope of a compromise. When it became apparent that a compromise was not possible under the existing contracts SIA signed for 5 firm and 5 option A340-500 to ensure the commencement of LAX-SIN non-stop services Nov 3 next year.
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1442 times:
If Airbus offers to NW a PW4000 series powerplant on either the A340-500 or 600, they will buy them because their flight crews will already have the training to fly them because the A340 has the same cockpit commonality as the A330.
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1430 times:
If Boeing cancels the exclusive engine deal with GE and brings in P&W and RR to market their engines on these new 777 models, it will keep the workforce at United technologies and Rolls Royce from being laid off.
Dynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1845 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1411 times:
Bunch of spin doctors! No, Boeing will not abandon the deal. The 772LR might not be doing well, but the 773ER is doing quite well against the A346. It is in an order doldrum, but that has to do with the economy, not the engine. JAL and ANA were not reluctant to order the GE90 engines, even though they have 777s with the PW4000 engines. When the economy recovers, I can assure you some of the existing 777 operators with the Trents will order the 772LR/3ER, too. In fact, we probably don't even have to wait too long because Emirates is close to making their next batch of 777 orders which might likely to include the 773ER.
Raggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 975 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1390 times:
RR and PW are not willing to spend $$$$$$$ on developing 110-120K engines and then grabbing a third each of a limited run of Longer Range 777s.
It wouldn`t be economic viable.
And it still puzzles me that so many of you still consider engine commonality to be of greater significance to airlines than airframe commonality!
You really think UA ( when (if??) they emerge from their difficulties ) will order A345/6 with PWs( if the 345/6 will ever get pratts) instead of the 772LR/773ER with GEs????
SailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1371 times:
While RR might be able to offer an engine for these planes quite quickly (they already had Trents running with 105,000+ lbf), P&W cannot. The PW4000 core has been maxed out, according to PW themselves. So they would need to build a new engine type, and I doubt that would pay off.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9042 posts, RR: 16 Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1335 times:
I think if UA survives through its current crisis, I don't think they will order the A 345/346 with P&W Engines. Instead they will order more B 777-200ERs, as well as B 747-400/400ER/400QLR. I mean when it comes to REPLACEMENT, which will not happen anytime soon Afterall, they have a large fleet of these two types. So you never know......
But there is a market for the B 777-200LR, as well as 300ER.
Sllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1212 times:
I think it's the matter of it being a fairly small niche. Boeing got a good deal from GE to lessen the cost of development -- perhaps it will cost them a handful of sales, but the idea is profit as well as numbers. It's just not clear that there's a big order lurking for any ultra-long-range machine.
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1167 times:
Airbus DOES NOT have an exclusive engine deal with Rolls Royce. Rolls Royce had the Trent 500 series powerplant available at the time to power the new A340-500/600 models. P&W could possibly offer a PW4000 series engine to Airbus as an option for their new A340 models in a few years for anyone interested such as NW and others.