Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 10 Posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5909 times:
It has been reported that an AeroMexico DC9-32 XA-AMF crash landed in Monterrey, Mexico. The airplane was carring 86 passengers and 4 crew. Injuries are reported. Monterrey Airport is closed, since it only has one runway. I will try to find more info on this.
Pzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1385 posts, RR: 15 Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5869 times:
Full details about this can be found at http://www.elnorte.com/monterrey/articulo/257668/
Flight was GDL-MTY and posible reasons are: a) construction works in a taxiway, b) low visibility due to fog.
Only in Spanish.
Monterrey, México.- El recorte de la pista a causa de la construcción de calles de rodado, la poca visibilidad originada por la lluvia y la neblina, y una falla en el tren de aterrizaje fueron las posibles causas de que un avión de Aeroméxico se saliera de la pista luego de aterrizar en el Aeropuerto Internacional Mariano Escobedo, dejando al menos 11 lesionados.
Debido a este incidente, el aeropuerto suspendió sus operaciones, sin que hasta el momento se haya reportado el reinicio de actividades.
Según versiones de algunos pasajeros del vuelo 254, una de las llantas del avión MD-83 con capacidad para 150 pasajeros se salió de la pista mientras la aeronave rodaba rumbo a la terminal aérea.
Extraoficialmente se informó que el accidente ocurrió por una falla en el tren de aterrizaje y por la densa niebla.
El avión salió de Guadalajara a las 21:20 horas y debió haber llegado a Monterrey a las 22:35 horas.
Tras el incidente, la aeronave terminó con parte de su ala izquierda a escasos centímetros del suelo, lo que provocó la movilización de las autoridades aeroportuarias, militares y de auxilio.
Aunque personal de la terminal aérea pretendió ocultar los hechos, fueron varios los pasajeros que revelaron la situación.
"Para nosotros el vuelo transcurría normal. Yo venía en el asiento 7A al lado izquierdo del avión", dijo Eduardo Leal, uno de los pasajeros.
"Lo que pasó cuando llegamos fue que primero intentamos aterrizar, pero quedamos muy lejos de la pista, como a 50 metros, fuera completamente.
"Sin tocar tierra, el avión volvió a subir y el piloto nos avisó que íbamos a intentar de nuevo el aterrizaje porque la niebla estaba muy densa", expresó.
De acuerdo a la versión de los pasajeros, el piloto voló durante varios minutos más para después intentar un nuevo aterrizaje.
Al momento de tocar la pista, y tras aplicar el freno, la aeronave derrapó y se salió de la pista número 11 hasta hundirse en la tierra.
El pasajero aseguró que el avión se hundió más de un metro y que el ala izquierda quedó pegada al suelo.
"Después de que se detuvo, hubo nerviosismo de la azafata que nos atendía", añadió Leal.
Tras el accidente, el personal de abordo abrió una de las puertas de emergencia y por el tobogán de aire bajaron a los pasajeros.
"Comenzamos a bajar todos nerviosos, hasta que llegaron los camiones de transporte", dijo.
Jorge Bujano, comandante en turno de la Cruz Roja, dijo que fue hasta una hora después cuando una persona del departamento de operaciones del aeropuerto pidió fueran enviadas las ambulancias, mencionando que había un gran número de heridos.
A la llegada de los rescatistas, los guardias de la central aérea les dieron instrucciones de acomodar las unidades en las entradas principales, sin que penetraran hasta donde se encontraba la nave.
Entre las personas heridas se encuentran Jorge Cañamar Volante, de 41 años; Ricardo Saucedo Valdés, de 50; Alejandra Villagómez Bueno, 29; su esposo José Juan Domínguez, de 36 y su pequeña hija Alexia, de 3 meses, todos ellos fueron internados en el Hospital Muguerza.
También fueron trasladados al mismo nosocomio, Waine Deczinski, de 41 años; Eduardo Gumara Luna, de 40; Cinthya Verónica Junio Franco, de 30; Gastón Ramiro Ortiz Ramírez, de 32; Edmundo Julio Osullivan Leonse, de 50, presunto capitán de la nave, y su copiloto Louis Alexandre Dechoulot Lavemne, de 26.
(Por Álvaro Vega, Gabino Arriaga e Iván Mata)
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4210 posts, RR: 36 Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5818 times:
The most important facts for people who can read even less spanish than me; the plane ran off the runway at the second landing attempt in fog, there were no fatalities but 5 wounded (maybe due to evacuation?). The plane sank one meter into soft ground while a wing remains on the runway. Local authorities tried to hide (?) what happened but the passengers told.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Cx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5764 times:
At least no one was killed, which is good. Congratulations to the pilots for doing the best they could. I fly to MTY very frequently and pilots have told me that it is one of the most difficult and dangerous airports when its foggy and raining, for reasons I don't know of. I have been in landings at MTY under similar conditions in two ocassions, one of them was pretty bad and we were very close to running off the runway, stoppingwith full brakes at the very end. In both cases, the pilot told us before landing that it was possible that he might have to go around and try again or even to divert to nearby Saltillo airport.
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5723 times:
And there is more on this story... Rescue teams were not alloud to help passengers until one hour after the crash... the passengers had to walk from the runway to the terminal and then to the airport exit in order to get some help from the "red-cross". The airline and the airport tried to hide the incident at all cost because of the reputation of AeroMexico and Monterrey Airport... this is the second time AeroMexico has problems with a small runway (less than 3000 meters) due to maintenance... last one was in Reinosa, Mexico...
Pmk From United States of America, joined May 1999, 664 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5644 times:
Monterrey, Mexico. - The cut of the track because of the construction of rolling streets, the little visibility originated in the rain and the fog, and a fault in the undercarriage was the possible causes that an airplane of Aeroméxico left the track after landing in the Airport the International Mariano Escobedo, leaving at least 11 injured.
After remaining all the night closed, the airport partially initiated its operations to 8:35 hours when leaving a Mexican airplane from Aviation course to the City of Mexico.
Until the moment, it is the only flight that has left.
According to versions of some passengers of flight 254, one of the rims of airplane Md-83 with capacity for 150 passengers left the track while the airship rolled course to the aerial terminal.
Unofficially one inquired that the accident happened by a fault in the undercarriage and by the dense fog.
The airplane, that left Guadalajara to 21:20 hours and must have arrived at Monterrey to 22:35 hours, on board brought to 86 passengers and four crew.
After the incident, the airship finished with part of its left wing to little centimeters of the ground, which caused the mobilization of the aeroportuarias authorities, military and of aid.
Although personal of the aerial terminal it tried to hide the facts, were several the passengers who revealed the situation.
"For us the flight passed normal. I came in the alongside left seat 7A from the airplane ", said Loyal Eduardo, one of the passengers.
"What happened when we arrived he was that first we tried to land, but we were very far from the track, like a 50 meters, outside completely.
"Without touching earth, the airplane returned to raise and the pilot warned to us that we were going to try the landing again because the fog was very dense", it expressed.
According to the version of the passengers, the pilot flew during several minutes later to try a new landing more.
At the time of touching the track, and after applying the brake, the airship skidded and number 11 left the track until sinking in the Earth.
The passenger assured that the airplane sank more of a meter and that the left wing was beaten to the ground.
"After one stopped, there was nervousness of the stewardess who took care of to us", she added Loyal.
After the accident, the personnel side opened one of the emergency doors and by tobogán of air they lowered to the passengers.
"We began to lower all nervous ones, until the transport vehicle trucks arrived", it said.
Jorge Bujano, commander in turn of the Red Cross, said that he was up to one hour later when a person of the department of operations of the airport requested were sent the ambulances, mentioning that was a great number of wounded.
To the arrival of the rescatistas, the guards of the aerial power station gave instructions to accommodate the units them in the main entrances, without they penetrated to where was the ship.
Personnel of the airline indicated that the injured ones, between which includes a crew member, were with slight injuries, like contusions and esguince, reason why today could be registered of the hospitals in where they recover.
Between the wounded people they are Jorge Flying Cañamar, of 41 years; Ricardo Saucedo Valdés, of 50; Alejandra Good Villagómez, of 29; its husband Jose Juan Domínguez, of 36; and their small daughter Alexia, of 3 months, all of them were committed in the Muguerza Hospital.
Also they were transferred to same nosocomio Waine Deczinski, of 41 years; Eduardo Gumara Moon, of 40; Cinthya Verónica Frank June, of 30; Gastón Ramiro Ortiz Ramirez, of 32; Edmundo Julio Osullivan Leonse, of 50, presumed captain of the ship, and his copilot Louis Alexandre Dechoulot Lavemne, of 26.
They retire track airplane
Workers of Aeroméxico make in this morning maneuvers to retire the airplane that left the track last night.
Alexander Yberri, director of marketing research and services to the client of Aeroméxico, said that until the moment the only information that is had is on an supposed fault in the fuselage of airplane DC 932.
It said that this morning arrived at technical the personal airport of the company to make the expert work of the damages of the airplane and to have one more a more accurate information.
Yberri added that the airplane must be retired for this noon, although the maneuvers are slowed down by condiicones of rain that prevail.
According to the employee of Aeroméxico, the exits and arrivals continue normal like in the rest of the airlines.
"At the moment there is no problem in the flights planned by Aeroméxico, the information that I have is that they are going to continue operating, if there were unexpected a company would let it know to the passengers through our telephones on watch.
(By Alvaro Fertile valley, Gabino Arriaga, Innocent Castro and Iván Mata)
Cx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5641 times:
I wish I knew, butthe pilot (AM MD-80 fleet) who told me this didn't really have time to explain why. And who knows, he might find it difficult but other pilots might have other opinions. From my personal experience, in both ocassions thepilots made the warning I mentioned above.
Reforma Newspaper (same group as EL Norte) has the same article in its webpage, but with an additional section where they talk about the removal activities of the plane going on right now, and in this article they report the aircraft as a DC-9. Aeromexico's timetable (on their website) has this flight as flight 254 operated by a MD-87, so who knows.
Cx340 From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 609 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5622 times:
Ah, thanks Pmk, this was the article I was talking about. First it talks about an MD-83 and further down about a DC-9, so who knows. . .my fiancee is flying in (I hope!!) from MTY tonight, so if the plane is still there I'll ask her. Problem is, she doesn't really know much about aviation so Ill have to ask her if it was the "long" or the "short" plane
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5166 posts, RR: 52 Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5511 times:
Once again, it was a Dc9... DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO GET RID OF THOSE PLANES!!! OTHERWISE, FLY WITH MEXICANA!!!!!!!! After this I hope ASPA (Pilots Union), approved the contract for the 737s NG pilots, but as long as they keep fighting for more benefits AeroMexico is being affected with things like this and their reputation is going down....
Anyway a friend of mine, which is a pilot and work at MTY rescue, gave me his report:
Recibí una llamada de Protección Civil del Estado a las 11:50 PM solicitando información que reportaban que una aeronave se había despistado en el Aeropuerto MMMY investigando y llegando al lugar de los hechos reportaban que la aeronave se le reventó una llanta del tren de aterrizaje y por eso se despisto.. posterior mente entre al aeropuerto a la cabecera de la pista 11 y saque esta conclusión.
La aeronave tenia 13400 Lbs de combustible en los tanques laterales realizo 2 aproximaciones frustradas (fallidas) y también se encontraba la pista en mantenimiento sobre la contracción de una nueva calle de rodaje 800mts la aeronave con muy baja visibilidad realizando el ultimo intento aterrizo después del lumbral de la pista que recordando que ya tenia 800mts. menos que lo normal … la aeronave toco aproximadamente entre la pista 11-29 16-34 y no pudo hacer su frenado correctamente posteriormente se impacto en el lumbral de la pista 11dañando el tren principal Izquierdo dañando el ala Izquierda desprendiendo una parte de los Flaps, cuando entra al lodo que se encontraba fuera de la cabecera de la pista cayo el tren de nariz también dañándolo, y posterior continuo frenándose con el fuselaje y quedo ladeado hacia la izquierda.
Extraño? Bueno Aeromexico solicito que arribara una aeronave DC-9-32 con 25 mecánicos para realizar maniobras con la aeronave… y su aterrizaje fue excelente no llego ni a la cabecera de la pista 11
Error del piloto digo yo!!!
También tengo conocimiento que el Capitán era el mismo piloto que se despisto en el aeropuerto de Reynosa Tamps. Que ta caon no creen?
Aeronave: DC-9-32 XA-AMF
Bueno me retire del lugar a las 7 AM del aeropuerto que aun se encontraban haciendo maniobras para retirarlo de la cabecera….
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4210 posts, RR: 36 Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5491 times:
Ghost77 > This accident is not related to the airframe, neither was the Reynosa incident in October 2000. It could have happened to any aircraft. The DC-9s are fine, XA-AMF is built in the early 80s, but the DC-9s is like a tank, look at Aerocalifornia, Aeropostal, ASERCA, Northwest etc which never have frame related accidents.
I believe you are biased against AM and for MX....
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
David_mx From Mexico, joined Nov 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5480 times:
Sorry for posting this too late but network was down due rain.
Well according to local media, you can click on http://www.canal12.tv, local station and news will start at 12:30 CST), it was a DC-9 32, it skidded off at 10.25 local time last night. Here in Monterrey weather is poor, since im at college I can't get the METAR but we have 17°C and rain all over the city.
As always everyone is quiet, no one is saying about it, only the media has been speculating about it. I can't confirm the reg, because reg and tail was undercover.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5166 posts, RR: 52 Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5412 times:
In part yes! I prefer MX. Definetly the Dc9s are very nice acfts, I loved them! I've flown AM, JR, 6A Dc9s, I've been in La Paz at California's maintenance base, here at MEX in AM, and 6A maintenance base, everything is perfect, I have read your trip reports to Mexico, you like my country, but lets say you or me where yesterday in that fly... how would you be?? Don't know you, but me I would be definetly pissed off, of course the way of thinking about AM would change for me after that moment, is not fair the dead of 6 or 8 people in the incident of REX... what if yesterday things had been in a different way, and right now we were discussing how sad was the lost of 89 souls..
Glad, this was not the case, also there are more unfair things, passengers that are trusting their life's to AM, also the HI FARES, to received a treat of this kind???????????... how come any other current airline with Dc9 operations got no Incidents.... everything is AeroMexico's fault with their idea to arrive ON TIME no MATTER WHAT... and their 99.999999% punctuality stats.... I think your life and safety is more important than having the best record in punctuality.... a friend of mine that works at AMX maintenance base told me the incident that happened in REX was because the pilots sometimes look forced to arrived on time, instead of going around again, or just fly to the alternate, which I think is better.... I'm acting in this way, because everything in Mexico is wrong! He have to start working in every small detail, and I'm not saying this is only has to be in the aviation industry... this has to be everywhere.... in the order to have a better country.....
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 10 Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5380 times:
I fly a lot to Matamoros and Reynosa and people who fly from MTY, REX or MAM know that when these airports are affected by fog it is very difficult to land. Last year I arrived at MAM and the people in the AM counter told me that the airport was closed due to fog... but she checked my bags and gave me my boarding pass just in case... I went to the JR (AeroCalifornia) counter and they told me that their flight was cancelled and the inbound aircraft divert to Monterrey... I was thinking that AM will do the same, but to my surprise, they decided to send the aircraft.... two hours later we heard from the observation deck the engines of an airplane soaring... after 5 attempts, the pilot finally landed the airplane... It was good news for me, since I didn't want to stay in MAM one more day, but it was quite dangerous if the pilot would have missed the runway... After talking to an AM pilot about this, he told me that in circumstances like this one, they have the order to land the airplane most of the times, because if not, it is lost revenue for AM... hope AM starts taking care of issue like this if they want to get a better record of accidents... just my two cents.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5166 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5379 times:
Seems the crew did the same mistake like in REX, they landed probably at 2/4 of the runway... but trust me if that acft was a 37, 57 or newer, brake sistems will be much better... if technology exist, why not make use of it....
Don't remember the pilots last name of REX, but if he was the same PIC, definetly there has to be a punishment...
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
Aviogenex From Mexico, joined Mar 2002, 67 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5216 times:
This post is for Ghost77.
First of all I normally don't do this but I am tired of reading this guy's posts.
1. Before you even think about starting to criticize, why don't you go to an English school and learn how to write correctly.
2. You have absolutely no right to say this kind of things about any company whatsoever.
3. Please don't come up with this bullshit that AeroMexico is having all these accidents (as you say) because of their ageing DC9's. If DC9's weren't reliable airplanes, they wouldn't be in service anymore would they?
4. In your first post, you stated that the pilot flying the aircraft involved in yesterday's accident was the same one that was flying the DC9 in the flight from Mexico City bound for Reynosa when a similar incident happened. Am I right? First, be sure is a fact and not a rumor because those little thing are the ones that bring down the reputation of ANY company, but specially an airline.
5. I understand that we all want to see the NG 737's in AeroMexico's color and that ASPA is a pain in the &*&^% but these problems that all companies have to go through, now if you are so desperate to see them flying soon, why don't you run for ASPA's Homecoming King and try to fix the problem.
And 6, I've read your posts in several occasions and, Did you know that you can get in serious trouble for saying stuff without being sure? I didn't think so!
If u think you know so much please, don't show it off so much because remember, there is always one that's gonna beat you.
Oh and just for the record I am a MEXICANA guy. HAVE A NICE ONE.
AM From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 581 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5127 times:
OK, first of all, AeroMexico has had too many of this accidents in the past few months. The MD-83 that landed in Santa Lucia AFB, the 767 with an engine failure after takeoff from Santiago, and a couple of MD-80 engine failures. And now this.
It's easy to jump to wrong conclusions immediately after accidents like this one, but anyway, the most probable factors that contributed to the accident were, as stated in a previous post, poor weather conditions and the shorter landing distance available due to some work being done on the runway's threshold or a taxiway. Also, someone said something about a blown tire upon landing.
Now, the runway was supposedly 800m shorter, which brings the 9483ft available down to 7218ft. That is considerably shorter, especially for a night landing under poor weather conditions.
Someone asked about MTY's ILS capability, and runway 29 where the crashland took place has an ILS CAT I approach. Opposite arrivals into runway 11 use a VOR/DME approach. Just as a side note, anything better than a CAT I approach is too much to ask in Mexico... In AeroMexico and Mexicana, only AMX's 757s/767s and their crews are qualified for CAT III approaches, since they fly to airports like CDG, JFK, and ORD.
I don't want to blame anything on the pilots before knowing all the facts, but I think sometimes crews insist too much on landing under situations where a diversion would be much safer and more logical. "Forced" landings cause this kind of accidents.
By looking at the pictures taken at MTY, I can say that the airplane is definitely a DC9-32. AeroMexico changes aircraft a lot from what is published in timetables and schedules, so depending on the demand for specific flights, aircraft availability, etc., you can get a DC9 or any of their very diverse MD80 fleet.
Finally, can anyone explain with a little more detail the nature of the so much mentioned construction work? And it would be great if someone could confirm the DC9 involved was XA-AMF, and the blown tire upon landing issue.
It's sad Mexican authorities and media can't handle this kind of situations in better ways. Take the recent LH744/MX320 near miss over Mexico City's airspace for example. In Europe or the USA this incident wouldn't have passed unnoticed by anyone. In this case, only a German magazine mentioned it. I bet German authorities and Lufthansa are conducting a tremendously serious investigation compared to what could be going on in Mexico's DGAC (Mexican FAA) and Mexicana. Here in Mexico, nobody can tell you anything about it, nobody knows anything, nobody seems to care. CNN would have given it "Breaking News" priority an hour or less after it happened. I don't know how long it's been since then and details about the incident are just too much to ask for in this country... That upsets me. A lot.
Bernardo in Mexico City.
"... for there you have been and there you will long to return."
25 Ghost77: Riad, 1. No problem at all... from now on I'll keep my mouth quiet! 2. I know I need more english classes, since I'm terrible, I'm only 16 years old,
26 David_mx: Here you can find updated screen shots of the crash landing, with a brief explanation and diagram. http://www.geocities.com/david_alanis Hope you find
27 SR117: Regarding near misses being news.... I'm sorry but I never hear about near misses making the US evening news or the likes. Maybe they show up in a pa
28 AM: Hola Ricardo (SR117), I agree with you on big accidents like TAESA's getting immediate coverage, but that's just how far it gets. They cover the news,
29 Ghost77: Bernardo, I agree with you about the Mexican media. I think the big problem is that they want to get a full coverage minutes after the incident/accide
30 AM: Ricardo (Ghost77), Thanks for that (repavement issue). So... one more DC9 retired from service...
31 Dc1030: Hi to all. Well here is a nose section photo of Aeromexico XA-AMF I shot almost 2 weeks before the Monterrey incident. Maybe one of its last shots in
32 Javomd88: Hi guys,! Well first of all the TOPICS TITLE is WRONG!!!!!!!! It should be Dc9 skids off runway at MTY!!!, can you imagine the diference between Crash
33 Ghost77: JAVO, Good to see you again in the forums! I hope from now on you can participate a bit more with us. Too bad PAPI lights were not CERTIF as they shou
34 David_mx: Javo Thank you for telling us the real truth, no one in MTY is saying that the ILS is out of service, is really impresive how they hide important info
35 Rojo: I just arrived from a trip to Houston and I didn't have time to follow up the news nor to make updates to this topic... JavoMD88: First of all, I don'