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What If AA Retired S80?  
User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3841 posts, RR: 2
Posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

With the "Super 80" as the "backbone" of AA's fleet, what is AA gonna do when they retire the Super 80's? What plane would replace them? My guess would be the 738 but with 250+ (i think) Super 80's, that would be a costly move. Any ideas?!

Wasn't the 738 the "replacement" for the classic 727?

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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4803 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

The retirement of the S80 fleet is years away, being that some of them are built as late as 1999 (ex TW aircraft).

At that time when they are retired, I expect the fleet to be replaced by a combination of 73G/738 aircraft, unless Boeing has created a new short-haul fleet...

Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16525 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

AA actually have over 350 MD-80's. The most likely replacement is a gradual buildup of the 738 fleet once their finances improve.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

They may very well become the launch customer for the successor to the 737...

Aaron G.

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Yeah, the retirement of the S-80's is years away, probably over a decade. By that time who knows what the aviation industry will look like and what new planes will be built between now and then.

Now if you are just thinking hypathetically, to just see what they would do, its hard to tell. They have over 350 S-80's like previously stated, which probably makes up a good portion of their fleet. So its hard to really tell what they would do to replace them. Its not like the MD-11's where there were a limited amount, and the F100's which although there are a decent number of them, can easily be replaced by the S80 and 738.

User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

Another possible option would be for AA to re-engine their MD-80 fleet with CFM-56's or BR715's and pull a Northwest -- that is, operate them until the airframes are lifed out. It's not currently the announced plan (which was to sell off the Super 80's as Stage 4 came into effect and replace them with 737's), but in my mind, since 9/11, master fleet plans can be considered in flux.

That said, as a betting man, I'd bet they stick to the 'master plan.'


User currently offlineAamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Just one point, 350 aircraft i believe accounts for over one third of AAs fleet!
At aquisition of TWA they had over 1000 aircraft owned or on lease [including those that are parked etc etc] so 350 is pretty much one third of the entire fleet, that is a hell of a major fleet change!

Second, if AA was to retire all S80s within a matter of 5years say, the value of the aircraft would drop significantly..
retiring the fleet over 15years would make sense for them, not flooding the market with hundreds of a/c at once.

What would happen to them once retired from AA fleet?
anyone hazard a guess?
my money is on 'third world' operators to give them one name, developing carriers for developing nations. Maybe some carriers who have S80s but want a few more, could pick up a few, 350 aircraft, unfortunately i dont think they would all immediately find a home and i would say many of them will have a spell in the desert! shame really.

A^A MD-11

User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

To be honest,

So much will change by 2012. There are many factors including: who AA's manegment is, how much money AA has, what new A/C are available, the state of their MD80s.

Who knows, maybe AA will operate the A320-600 to replace the MD80. Or, perhaps Boeing will manuever with AA and create a new shorthaul plane to replace the MD80. It is possible that by then Emraer will make a good alternaive. As we say in NY: Hey, you never know.

User currently offlineWorkbench From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

I doubt AA will survive long enough to have this even be an issue. AA will not likely see 2004.

User currently offlineN757st From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

AA will not fall, it might undergoe huge changes, but if AA fell, travel as we know it falls. It is rediculous to think that one of the largest if not THE largest transportation companies in the world will fall within a year or two.

On another note, who the hell knows what AA will do in the future, anything can happen. Hell, for all we know AA will replace the S80 fleet with 200 A380s, or maybe they will be replaced by 500 B717's, or maybe they will be replaced by 300 sonic crusiers. The point is anything is possible, who knows what is going to happen, my eight ball and crystal ball are out of commission so i will not be much help.

As for where the S80's will go afterward, prolly to that big axe in the desert.

User currently offlineMD-87ER From Austria, joined Aug 2001, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

...AA will not likely see 2004.

not really. Think how long PA and TW struggled. I am sure we will see AA in a few years, maybe a different AA, but an AA.

And the M80 replacement: If they operate them as long as the 727, or like NW does with their DC-9s, we can start to think of this discussion in at least 10 years from now.

User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

As quickly as AA has set about retiring TWAs 717s, I imagine that airframe is not the choice to replace anything.

As for the MD-80, the airframe itself is still a viable airframe. Re-engineering could lead to, say, the MD-90-10 (as opposed to the -30 and -50 production models). But American does not have a history of re-engineering anything. They had the option to convert their 727s to two engine models back in the early -80s, but went with the "Super 80s" instead (though MDD gave them a great deal on the first 20). And I don't see Airbus getting a contract. AA has never much liked the European consortium and seems to stick with US-built planes (with the exception of the ERJ and F-100).

I really hope that Boeing builds the 717-300, since it is closer in size to the MD-87 and would supposedly have longer range (like in the 22-2500 mi area). But it would compete with their 737-500/600 models, so I doubt they will.

Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
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