Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 960 times:
I thought they were let off? Aren't they back in the UK? At the end of the day, I think the British/Greek governments will work something out, because I really don't think these guys are going to end up in jail.
I agree that you shouldn't break local laws ("when in Rome, do as the Romans do" etc.), but I believe this problem will be resolved amicably.
Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 878 times:
Donder10, they had notepads and photos indicating military planes movements. They never said that they did not take photos or notes. They just deny the espionage charges.
Many spotters note movements.I agree that they were prats to some extent from what I have heard but espionage is a big jump and there doesn't appear to be much evidence for it.The Greeks don't really seem to have understood what spotting is about and so lump the movements logs into intelligence-I thought Greece had signed up to an agreement which stated that they could not withhold some military information on movements etc-Turkey has signed up to this too AFAIK,.
Ovelix From Greece, joined Aug 1999, 639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 867 times:
Many spotters note movements.
And that makes the military obliged to tolerate such actions? When a sign says "No photos" how much more clear needs to be?
I agree that they were prats to some extent from what I have heard but espionage is a big jump and there doesn't appear to be much evidence for it.
Please stop the espionage thing. The court did not say they are spies. They were convicted for "obtaining state secrets". Espionage means that someone uses the info in favour of other countries, persons etc.
The Greeks don't really seem to have understood what spotting is.
And the britons don't really seem to understand that they have to respect the law, even if they don't agree with it.
The agreement you refer to is about information between countries. That means e.g. Greece and Turkey have to inform each other in case or large military movements such as exercises. The info is not for everyone though...
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 834 times:
I thought we were all part of the EU now and things were meant to be "standardised"...
Its about time the Greeks realised that aeroplane spotting and even photography are widely practiced and are legal pretty much across the whole of the EU, that they drop this stupidity against citizens of another EU state, and come into line with the rest of the community that they perport to be a part of.