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BA LHR-SAN/PHX/DEN Status?  
User currently offlineAirplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

I tried to search for this, but didn't find anything. I admit that I'm not that good at searching though, so sorry if this has been discussed. Did British Airways switch their DEN, SAN, and PHX services from LGW to LHR? If so, what turned out to be the reason that they could? Was it a loopwhole in Bermuda II, or is BII going to be abolished?

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User currently offlineKaiTakFan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1588 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

I know that Speed Bird 289/288 out of PHX is still LGW. However the switch to LHR should not be to far off in the future. I believe its the same with SAN/DEN as well.

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

I have a friend who booked a ticket for January '03 for SAN-LHR on a 777, so it might be Jan 1, but I'm not sure.


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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1834 times:
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One way or another, BA has found a way through Bermuda 2 restrictions, so SAN,DEN and PHX will most likely be served from LHR. Why and how this loophole was not exploited before i don't know.




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User currently offlineAirplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

Thanks you all! I thought that those services were due to start at the end of October (the 26th rings a bell in my head for some reason). Obviously they didn't though. But when?

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

DEN, PHX, and SAN all swtiched to LHR last week.


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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

wow, i just realized that. How did BA do it? Especially with little or no publication about it. Why haven't we heard anything about the B2 agreement. Because to us it just looks like BA just wanted to switch these 3 cities and went ahead and did so, disregarding any prior agreements. Now, i know thats probably not what happened, but what else can explain this?

User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

There is a line in Bermuda II that syas that a British carrier may serve a Us city from LGW orLHR, provided there is no american carrier serving those cities. It meniotns specific cities that are allowed service from LHr and LGW. Anything above and beyond that may be served from LHR. Why BA did not figure this one out long before now is beyond me. It also explains why the BA no stop flights LGW-ATL, IAH and DFW will remain at LGW until Bermuda II is amended or better yet done away with.

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1748 times:

so does this mean AA can transfer its RDU-LGW flt to RDU-LHR? Also whats stopping UA from starting DEN-LHR?

User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

Usairways85,
No AA can not transfer RDU from LGW to LHR and UA can not start service from LHR-DEN. The British carriers only can have service from etiher LHR or LGW and than only to certain cities. The cities that can have LHR service via US carriers is specifically mentioned in Bermuda II. I know this sounds rather confusing and it is indeed is. Just one of the many reasons that Bermuda Ii needs to be the junk pile----pronto and why openskies is best for all.


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

No, I believe it means that BA can serve any US city to LHR if there's no American carrier providing service to LGW from that city.

For example, as long as there's no American airline serving PHX-LHR/LGW, British Airways can do PHX-LHR.

But if CO starts up PHX-LGW service, for example, BA will have to revert to LGW service as well (in other words, they can only exercise the LHR "advantage" if there's no competition).

Steve


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

What a barmy agreement...like little kids squabbling!

User currently offlineJayhup From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

BA would love to move DFW, ATL and IAH to LHR but as mentioned above they can't. Could you imagine the uproar from DL, CO and AA if they moved those three to LHR.

Oh Boy!!!!!

JH


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