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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1198 times:


The EU court has reportedly (my source is in Finnish) ruled that bilateral Open Skies agreements between EU members and the US are unlawful.

Does anyone know, what will be the repercussions to airline market shares from their replacement with a single EU-US agreement?



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

Fantastic news if it's true!

Great news!



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User currently offlineRickB From United Kingdom, joined May 2003, 243 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

I can see a number of memer states appealing against that kind of decision if true - especially the UK.

RickB


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

It's true. The UK, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Austria and Germany broke European law

I have no time at the moment to actually rephrase articles, so here are the links.

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1035873005619&p=1012571727085

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2403641.stm




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User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1177 times:

I think that they are saying that individually negotiated 'open skies' agreements are unlawful and that such agreements have to be undertaken by the EU and apply to all members.

It is also seen as a possibility of leveraging more concessions from the US for EU member states.


User currently offlineSobelair From Croatia, joined Sep 2000, 353 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1172 times:


So what is the next step now the rulling has been made public?!
Will the Commission be in charge for negotiating, or if not who will be?!


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

Get ready for some fireworks...also very appropriate, since it's Guy Fawkes here in Britain!

The EU vs US comedy continues......


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

How about removing the likes of AF from state ownership?

User currently offlineRickB From United Kingdom, joined May 2003, 243 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

Dunno - if you read the ruling it only really mentions that it has the authority to negotiate on behalf of intra-European flights - so anything outside of that still looks like its excluded.

Lots of legal loopholes in the ruling for the member states to take advantage of.

This is set to rumble on for sometime yet I feel !!

RickB


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1035 times:

http://www.forbes.com/newswire/2002/11/05/rtr778559.html

UK says EU court ruling won't stop U.S. air talks
Reuters, 11.05.02, 1:19 PM ET

Shame!




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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 995 times:
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I'm not in favour of the EU taking over open skies talks, why should Brussels decide who get's access to LHR?. Last time i checked, heathrow is in the UK, not belgium.

This is just another step towards a more integrated Europe, and eventually a european superstate.




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User currently offlineClipper471 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 964 times:
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It looks as if this will be a long lasting issue just as the Bermuda II negotiations have been...

"But diplomats said the ruling did not appear to ban bilateral deals and member states would not rush to hand over their power to the European Commission to strike such deals over U.S. and other international air traffic rights.

Britain also took the view the court ruling would allow EU states to continue to negotiate bilateral deals."



http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/021105/airlines_eu_4.html


User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 955 times:

I think that they are saying that individually negotiated 'open skies' agreements are unlawful

This is correct. The EU is working towards its own aviation policy. The US is aware of this and is attempting to get around the future policy by getting agreements in place with individual countries.


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