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User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

I just saw this on a National Airline employee message board

http://www.nationalairlinespilots.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=test&action=display&num=94


The channel 5 news just reported that National with cease operations today, November 6, at 5:30 pm.

It has been my pleasure working with all of you. The best of luck to all!

Sincerely,

PM


Any truth to this? I'm waiting for the 4 o'clock news. I'll let you all know if I find anything else.

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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

Sounds like a prank to me. Nothing of the sort on their website, only announcements for expansion and seasonal service.
http://www.nationalairlines.com/about/releaseindex.asp

redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 768 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

Probably.. National has been finished for a while.



User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Oh yeah, it's all over the news on Channel 8. An announcement is expect soon. Stay tuned.

User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

National IS Shutting Down It's been confirmed according to the latest news.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

This isn't particularly surprising. Sad for the employees, but this is more of a mercy killing at this point.

User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

If so, then this will be the second airline that M. Conway has been running to have BIG troubles.
One often wonders WHY some investors insist on using these failures.


User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Sad, National was getting profitable too. National is the whole reason why I got into aviation and A.net. Here is a tribute to a horribly run airline with one the best employees in the industry. Always giving 110% on my flights with them.

See ya National. It's been great


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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

 Sad Sad Sad Sad.

There website says nothing of the kind. Although it might be because they are not updating right away until they officially go for Chapter 7 Liquidation. When and where was their last flight? can anyone in LAS confirm this?


User currently offlineRP From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

It is true, confirmed by National employees at LAS HQ. They plan to finish today's sked. Sad day. :-(

User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 3250 times:



Its OFFICIAL. Now on the website, NATIONAL AIRLINES SHUTS DOWN!!!
RIP National.
Best wishes to all of the employees and loyal patrons...



Cargo doesn't whine, moan, or complain
User currently offlineWolfpacker From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/021106/60487_1.html

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

This really saddens me. I took many many pictures of National 757s when I visited LAS.

Those photographs are all I have to remember them.

Good luck to all the employees and there families.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

This is awful news for National Airlines will be shut down for now. I am very sad news to hear for National Airlines, too. So Jetblue will be takeover for nonstop from JFK-LAS by effective Jan. 7, 2002. I think will be gone soon with the B757-200 aircraft and what is exactly will going do for right now into the routes. Well, catch ya later!!

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

for some f'd up reason, VC-10 deleted a thread I started that said "National Airlines Letter To Employees From CEO" was somehow a double thread??? although no one had posted the letter.. anyway......

November 6, 2002

To All Employees:
National To Cease Operations

It is with a very heavy heart that I inform you that National Airlines will cease operations this evening. We have exhausted every viable alternative in seeking additional financing that would have allowed National to successfully reorganize. Despite the Company's operational progress during our reorganization and a business plan that we believed would be successful in the new operating environment, potential investors and creditors willing to take on risk in today's airline environment could not be found.

This is, no doubt, as difficult a situation as many of you have ever faced. While I personally am having all of the same emotions you are feeling, it is my duty to also try and provide you with information that may help to answer some of your questions you have about what happens now.

Operations

The Company will not operate any flights out of Las Vegas after 4:30 p.m. Pacific today. Flights departing field stations will continue until such time as all aircraft have returned to Las Vegas, where they will be parked. Aircraft will be ferried back to Las Vegas, and we will make every attempt to contact flight crews so that they may get on the ferried flights. Employees who are pass traveling may also catch these ferried flights. Individuals from flight crews who miss the flights will need to work with Crew Scheduling and the Pass Bureau to make arrangements to return to Las Vegas.

Customers with tickets on National Airlines that were purchased with MasterCard or VISA credit cards may apply for a refund through their credit card company. Customers using other credit cards must inquire at their respective credit card companies about refunds. Customers holding tickets for future National Airlines' flights should be able to fly on other carriers based on those respective carriers' acceptance program as outlined by Section 145 of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act. Use of National Airlines tickets on other carriers may affect customers' refund requests with their respective credit card companies. Refunds for tickets from National Airlines will not be available.




Employment

Employees in the operation will continue their employment with National until the completion of their shift, or until the operation as it affects an employee's specific duties is completed, whichever is applicable first.

Most administrative employment will be discontinued effective Wednesday, November 6th. Employees will be notified via the Company's intranet site (thenationalnet.com) as to the days and times employees will be permitted to return and gather their personal effects.

A small staff will be required to continue to work in order to shut down the Company. This work will include such items as processing paychecks to all employees for all time worked, shutting down the various parts of the operation, contacting vendors and suppliers to cancel all contracts and obligations, etc.

To assist with future employment, the Company will also mail employment verification letters to all employees.

Paychecks

The Company has set aside funds for payroll in order to pay employees for time worked through today, including estimated overtime and incentive pay. Direct deposit will not be available for the final paychecks. All employees will be mailed their paychecks. All mailings will be sent to the last known address (check your most recent paycheck to verify your address). Unused vacation time will not be paid. All W-2s will be mailed to each employee's last known address.

Employee Benefits

All employee benefits will cease immediately. Medical insurance via COBRA is not an option due to the requirement that the Company be operating. All medical claims that have not already been paid for via the insurance will also not be covered. You can contact Great West Life & Annuity Health Plan (Plan #357512) at 1-800-338-4015 to verify the status of individual claims.

Your 401(k) account will remain open, and your money is accessible only by you - not the Company or the Trustee. Additional contact information for 401(k) participants will be posted at nationalairlines.com. The Flexible Benefits Account has been funded with year-to-date employee contributions for participating employees, and those funds remain accessible through the normal claims process.




Security Items

It is very important that all employees return both their National Airlines badge, airport badges, and uniforms. Return of these items is required under federal law and non-compliance will result in the Company having to notify the proper federal agencies. When and how these items (uniforms, work equipment such as laptops, company badges, airport badges, etc.) should be returned will be communicated to all through The National Net.

* * * * *

Most of us will now have to deal with a situation that we have never faced before. There will be many questions and situations that arise over the next few hours and days that will test us as professionals and individuals. I trust that each of you will conduct yourselves with the same professionalism that you have demonstrated throughout your time with National. I also urge all employees to work with each other to help everyone get through this very difficult time, whether it be with assisting a fellow employee dealing with customers or vendors, emotional support, or any other form. Please note that the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) remains available for a limited time. Employees may contact the EAP at 1-800-272-7255.

There is very little I can say that would be of comfort to anyone. I would, however, like to say that you have been the best group of employees I have ever had the pleasure of being associated. Airlines will come and go, but I will always believe that with the funding we were seeking, National Airlines had the opportunity to be the best. Unfortunately for all of us, things didn't work out that way.

I cannot begin to express my gratitude to everyone who believed in what we were trying to accomplish at National Airlines. Your efforts are what made our Company be recognized as one of the nation's top airlines in customer service. I sincerely hope that one day each of us will be able to reflect on our time with National knowing that we did our best under the circumstances.

Sincerely,



Michael J. Conway
Chairman of the Board
President and CEO


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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7993 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

By the way, please note that America West (HP) is trying to accommodate stranded N7 passengers to the best of their ability according to HP's own web site.

I am going to watch with great interest who will try to fill in the capacity loss due to N7's shutdown. HP has already taken the first steps to do this by accommodating former N7 passengers, and in my opinion expect an announcement from Southwest (WN) before the end of this week for schedule changes to increase capacity in and out of WN's LAS hub.

Of course, JetBlue (B6) will start the JFK-LAS-JFK flight effective January 7, 2003; one wonders will Delta (DL) try to increase capacity to LAS from the ATL, DFW and CVG hubs?


User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Man, what terrible news. It's as if no one saw it coming.

The Company will not operate any flights out of Las Vegas after 4:30 p.m. Pacific today. Flights departing field stations will continue until such time as all aircraft have returned to Las Vegas, where they will be parked.

Wow, I wonder how that last flight must have been like. I wonder how the pilots and F/A's informed the passengers of the news of it being their last flight as National employees.

So sad.  Crying




Its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than be in the air wishing you were on the ground. Fly safe!
User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 3090 times:
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I am really saddened about this! I rode them from MDW-LAS-MDW and this is the worst they did. I rode them and it was a nice airline, I even got to speak to the pilots after my flight and they were nice including the flight attendants. They had great service but they had to go so soon.


My sadness goes out to the employees and people who rode them.



"He was right, it is a screaming metal deathtrap!"-Cosmo (from the Fairly Oddparents)
User currently offlineSoku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

Pretty bad news down is LAS. So sad to see another start up go....
R.I.P. N7.



The Ohio Player
User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

watch the final flights here:

http://www.nationalairlines.com/flifo/index.asp

-n


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

http://www.nationalairlines.com/flifo/index.asp

For all of those lazy ones on the forum ::Yawns::


User currently offlineAWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

Its always sad to see a airline go under but N7 sould have dumped Conway a long time ago. The only thing he is good at is putting airlines into bankruptcy.

User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (11 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

The link is dead...Looks like the last rev flt is ROK 17 JFK-LAS. Ship 512 is coming back from SFO as the first ferry flt.

joe


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32627 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (11 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

I have a feeling AA's MIA-LAS service will be inagurated a little earlier than plan, and probably with an extra frequency.


a.
User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 24, posted (11 years 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

Awwww d*mn.

redngold



Up, up and away!
25 Laxintl : Aircraft are being ferried back to LAS at this evening. N506NA - MIA-LAS N508NA - JFK-LAS N512NA - SFO-LAS N522NA - EWR-LAS N523NA - IAD-LAS N542NA -
26 Ryu2 : If anyone wants to track them, some of the flight numbers are: ROK8506 07 - 0041Z ACTIVE MIA LAS L/B752/E 0234 ROK8508 07 - 0044Z ACTIVE JFK LAS L/B75
27 Mexicana757 : Sad to see another airline go. I will miss National at MDW. i wish the best to the employees and hope they are able to find jobs.
28 LV : Will anyone pick up the 757's. I assume someone could get them for a steal at this point?
29 TEDSKI : Maybe ATA or AA can pickup those RR RB211 powered 757-200s.
30 Fly_ATA : I don't think ATA will pick them up due to their age and the fact that they have too much capacity as it is right now.
31 Dfwatc17c : I have to go into work on Friday and turn in my badges, keys, and uniforms. It's been fun. Working for National was the most fun I've had in this indu
32 CactusA319 : It's too bad to see them go. I flew them 2 months ago ORD-LAS in first class. Great flights. N7 was a very good airline, too bad Conway and his boys
33 Post contains links and images Flyboy36y : http://www.nationalairlines.com/index.asp Yup... they are gone.... I liked seeing those planes on approach to JFK.
34 Post contains images GD727 : Sad, very sad. National was a great airline with great potential. I guess it just couldn't survive in this crappy economy. So long National, you will
35 Duncan : How about AWA picking up a couple of cheap 75's...... LAS is their second hub, they fly the RB211 757 with a very mixed, old fleet (Ex EAL 75's) and t
36 BeechStarship : I'm curious...do CEOs of bankrupt airlines usually emerge with millions like other businesses such as Enron? I wonder if Conway gets a Golden Parachut
37 Cbqfan : Went passed LAS at lunch - counted 16 National tails parked in various spots around the airport. Four by the fire station (west of the C gates), one o
38 RayChuang : Duncan, I wouldn't be surprised that a number of ex-N7 757-200's ends up in the HP fleet. After all, doesn't HP use LAS as an originating point for a
39 Post contains links CcrlR : I really liked them. Well here is my trip report from them. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/15260/
40 OPNLguy : National had been running some college football charters on the weekends, and was just wondering if we'll see any this weekend....
41 Post contains links and images Lamyl_hhlco : Vanguard airlines isn KC and now National airways, what's next? This is getting seriously bad for the airlines and very sad. US airways seems to be in
42 Post contains images Elwood64151 : Gee, and just the other day I mentioned my hope that N7 wasn't going under. They were one of the airlines that picked up the NJ pax when it went under
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