BFS From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2 Posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4447 times:
Not that I wish to sound defiant or rude, but I have never yet been in a position where I was in a window seat when all passengers were asked to close their window blinds (I was on an overnight JFK-LHR last year but in the middle block of seats), but if I was, I really don't think I'd like to keep it closed throughout the flight. Even over the ocean when there is nothing to see, and perhaps even at night, I love to look out the window and just relax and reflect. If its dark, there is no point in keeping it open as there is nothing to see, but equally there is no point in closing it if no light comes in anyway - I know that if dawn comes and all blinsd are open, the cabin will be illuminated, but with just a few open, it shouldn't be a problem.
I am not saying they shouldn't ask us to close them, but just how strict are they when it comes to making sure they are clsoed?
StarFlyer From Germany, joined Sep 2002, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4413 times:
if it's light outside and all the blinds are closed, the aircraft is dark inside allowing the passengers to sleep. You wouldn't believe how much light comes in through one window blind being open while the other ones are closed! That's why they are pretty strict on the airlines that I have been on flying overnight (QF, NZ, LH, SQ). And trust me, if I was your neighbour and trying to sleep, and you'd open the blind, I'd make sure that you'd shut it pretty quick!
Hope that answers your question, it's just all the light that comes in even if one window is just half open! Haven't seen anyone keep it open for more than 10sec so far!
Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5526 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4400 times:
This happened last year! I was heading from ORD to MUC on a LH A340, we were over England, and the sun was about to rise. The cabin was pitch black and people were still sleeping, it was quite enjoyable. But this little jerk kid opened his window, and this stream of burning light came in, and it feels like it singed my pupils!
LMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4338 times:
.....And trust me, if I was your neighbour and trying to sleep, and you'd open the blind, I'd make sure that you'd shut it pretty quick! ....
Now if that is not arrogance I don't know what is. If you insist on shutting off all light make sure you carry shades with you. Some airlines give these out anyway and are normally found in the seat pocket.
Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4299 times:
Well, on BA the stewardess used to come by with a long rod or stick and force it shut against my will, and give me a terrifying glance.... Evil, evil, evil!
I suppose it might have been different had I been older than 13... Now I just don't bother anymore. Even though I absolutely hate sitting in a window seat and being prevented to look outside. Idiots! It's unfair, mean, useless and annoying! After all, seeing dawn from the air IS beautiful, and does NOT let in too much light. And they're handing out free eyeshades anyway, so any passenger wishing to sleep at all cost should use them, and the stewardesses should leave me alone with my window!
Doug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4234 times:
depending on how the seats line up with windows, I've had luck closing it, then opening it for the bottom thrid when i want to peer out. when i peer out i lean foward and not too much light gets in (assuming the sun isn't rising/setting on the side of the aa/c I'm on at the time).
Clipper471 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4172 times:
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Yeah, keeping the shades open when airborne is annoying when there's nothing to see. Even more annoying... on one recent westbound trans-Atlantic flight all pax complied by closing the shades so all could better see their PTV's or sleep. But, one guy would open his shade every 10 minutes or so and "peek" out. Of course there was nothing to see but sun-drenced, BRIGHT white clouds. That was very annoying. It was like waking up in the morning, your eyes very sensitive to light, each time he did it. Each time he did it I was ready to say something, but kept my cool.
Silver_wing767 From Japan, joined Oct 2000, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4151 times:
Or you can do what my dad did when he went to across the pacific....When he wanted to peer out the window, He would open it anytime..But the trick was to cover his head and the window with his blanket..That way he got to look outside the window, and nobody was bothered by the bright sun!!
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4640 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4138 times:
grow up and shut the blind -
I think this comment can be said for both sides of this issue. Everyone paid to be on that plane, you aren't special....if you didn't get the window seat - your fault. One of the things I can't stand is when you have a person get a window seat and then as soon as they get on the plane, they shut their blind and read a book.
If you are worried about light, take a pair of shades with you. The view of the earth while flying will always be something unique that everyone doesn't always get to witness -- so when they are up there, they want to see. The view of dawn from 30,000+ feet is awe inspiring and something everyone should get to see. Before everyone's goes and starts shooting their mouths off about little punk kids...remember, one day you were the little punk kid on his/her first overnight flight and got to enjoy the beauty of the sun rise. How dare you restrict the ability for someone else to enjoy this. It is time for members of this forum to quit being hypocrites and get on with their lives. To those younger members that are complaining about other "kids"...they probably haven't been fed with the silver spoon their entire life and they were on their first transatlantic flight at night. Once you start paying for your own ticket...you can start complaining, but that doesn't mean you are in the right or wrong.
Delta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4131 times:
When you grow up, you realize that sometimes you do things voluntarily that you would rather not simply out of consideration toward your fellow man (or woman)......not because you are forced to, but just because it's the right thing to do. By the same token, if keep your blinds closed throughout the flight, but crack them open occasionally to take a peek or snap a photo, your neighbors will see you as a considerate person and will not complain for those intermittent surges of light.
You have to recognize that the world does not revolve around you the way it did when you were a baby.
Aussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4077 times:
Oh just shut the blind and consider your fellow passenger rather than being that self centred little **** that you are and that your mother thinks is the centre of the universe. while i would not consider stopping anyone from opening their blind quickly to take a peek the case is it does let in huge amounts of light, yes it does, and disturbs many passengers not just a few. they seem to check in their manners and feelings towards their fellow man with their luggage. you want to open that window blind then i am certainly going to tell you to shut if it disturbs me. give me a private jet anyday!!!!
Plane holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4076 times:
I don't travel on airlines which order you to shut the blinds...
I think kids and babies screaming for 12 hrs in a row are far worse then a window which is half open.. I don't hear people then..... I bet Starflyer would. So would be great to have you have as a passenger assuring everyone keeps quiet 'no offense'
Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4062 times:
Clipper471: I would NEVER close my window shades on a westbound transatlantic flight - not even for a second. They're daylight flights, so no need to sleep, the lights in the plane aren't dimmed and if someone has a PTV visibility issue, that's their problem, not mine.
Quite frankly, when I request a window seat, I do so to SEE something - Greenland, Iceland, other planes. And there is just no justification for making passengers close their shades during a westbound flight - I have never seen that happen before.
On eastbound flights - overnight flights when some people try to sleep, I can half understand the fascist mentality of F/As. But only half. After all, the airlines do hand out eyeshades, and anyone who needs darkness can get it that way for free. And if the sleep of passengers was as holy as they pretend it is (only half the people manage to sleep anyway) then no one would have to sit near the lavatories, where there's always someone standing, often talking. No one would be allowed to talk. No babies would be allowed on board. And snoring passengers would be kicked out.
As none of these things happen - and they all obstruct the sleep of many passengers, having the window shade 1/3 open and peering out with almost the entire face covering it, should not be prevented either.
Flyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4029 times:
I refuse to shut the blinds EVER!
I was once on a tour bus from Las Vegas to the Grand Canyon. The trip itself is almost as awe inspiring as the canyon itself. The way it worked was that two rows shared a bling. I had the back half of the blind. She had the front. She kept closing it!!!! She wanted to sleep, I wanted to enjoy the view. Tough cookies for her! I did not pay for the tour not to be able to see anything. Same thing on planes. You vever know what you will see if you are lookimg. People who wish to keep out darkness are able to bring shades. I bring them.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3956 times:
Ikarus, you've mounted a convincing argument, with those photos!
I'm afraid I'm one of those childish ones who cherishes their window (if they get one!) I like to have it open all the time. Even at night - especially when flying over Africa...you'd be surprised what you can see...the stars, the cities, other aircraft, distant storms...it's quite beautiful.
On the other hand, I'm quite timid, and if someone even suggests I close the blind, I do it (albeit reluctantly).
For those who can't open their blinds for whatever reason, you might want to try going back to the galley, there might be a window by the door there (I guess not on Airbus aircraft...)
ZID From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 294 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3926 times:
Wow! There are several narrow minded, arrogant, subjective people here who believe that their opinion is absolute fact and law. Just because they would like the shades to be closed so that they can sleep then that means that anyone opening a blind is rude. Does that mean that if you wanted to lay down and sleep on three seats in your row and the other two people didn't get up and give you their seats then they would also be considered rude by you?
I know it's hard for people like you to look at things from other people's viewpoint but your comments are the same as the other person saying that if they wanted you to stay awake so that they didn't have to listen to your snoring but you went to sleep anyway then you would be acting rude, which is ridiculous.
Wake up people! (get it?) You're not the only person on the earth who matters. Guess what? That person with the window seat also matters and they have opinions and desires too just like you, and they paid for their seats too just like you.
Here's a novel concept - how about if you people stop acting like self-centered jerks and allow others to live their lives in ways other than living through your desires. If you want to sleep then sleep. If you want to stay awake then stay awake. If the person in the window seat wants to look outside then they may look outside. If the person in the window seat wishes to close the blind then they may close the blind. If the blind is open and you wish to sleep then use those handy-dandy sleeping shades.
Me personally, I almost never sit next to a window and usually sleep on flights but I'm not a window shade Nazi and I felt the need to speak out against the asinine fascism on display throughout this thread.
I'm sorry if this reply was a little harsh but it's been my experience that when dealing with insensitive, "I am God" people that the direct and blunt method is the only thing that gets through to them.
Palmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3750 times:
Not directly on point but for those who are advocating that we should close the blind, what is your view on those passengers who keep their damned reading light on when the cabin lights have been dimmed or turned off for night landings? I find that this ruins the whole effect. Do people really need to read when the aircraft is on final approach? What is with that?
I guess these are the same passengers who, if they are given a window seat, immediately close the blind and start reading a book!
Thadocta From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3735 times:
"One of the things I can't stand is when you have a person get a window seat and then as soon as they get on the plane, they shut their blind and read a book."
Some of us request window seats for reasons other than looking out - I am deaf in my right ear, and always request a window seat on the LEFT side of the aircraft. This serves two purposes - I don't have to listen to the person next to me, and I can also put the pillow up against the fuselage wall when I go to sleep, thus shutting out all noise from my (one) good ear.
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