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What Does A Plane Need To Land At Lcy?  
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

Was reading the Lufthansa/RJ thread, and read with interest that the CRJ 900 they could be acquiring cannot land at LCY (London City airport).

I realise the airport requires a particularly steep approach, and (possibly?) has a short runway - but how does this prevent certain aircraft from being operated there?

I realise it might be unrealistic to expect a fully-laden 747-400 to be able to land at LCY, but what exact "qualities" does an aircraft need to have in order to be able to make steep approache and land on a short runway?

Thought about posting in Tech/Ops, but didn't think this question was very "techincal" (qualitive rather than quantitive discussion), plus this might interest a wider audience of people not naturally taken to more technical aspects of flight...


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User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6159 times:

Hi Capt.Picard,

The London City Airport Consultative Committee has a very imformative webiste www.lcacc.org, here is some information they have posted:

Type Approval
ALL aircraft using the Airport must be of an approved type. To qualify for approval an aircraft must fit into one of the Airport's Noise Categories and be capable of making an approach at 5.5 degrees or steeper (this compares with 3 degrees at most other airports). Helicopters and other vertical take off and landing (VTOL) aircraft, and aircraft with a single engine, are prohibited and flying for club or leisure purposes is not permitted. Type approval is given by the Airport's Operations and Control Department, telephone: +44 (0)20 7646 0241, fax: +44 (0)20 7511 0248, e-mail: operations@londoncityairport.com
All pilots must hold a Commercial or Air Transport Pilots Licence and have completed at least three approaches at 5.5 degrees or steeper.


Aircraft currently used for scheduled services
Here are brief details of the principal types of aircraft currently used at the the Airport to provide scheduled services.   (Note:  The Maximum Take off and Landing Weights of aircraft are not always available at London City Airport).
BAe 146/Avro RJ family
Bombardier Q Series/DHC Dash 8
Dornier Fairchild Do328
Fokker 50
Saab 2000

Other approved aircraft
Here is a list of other approved aircraft as at mid May 2001 - check with Operations (telephone: +44 (0)20 7646 0241, fax: +44 (0)20 7511 0248, e-mail: operations@londoncityairport.com) for any changes.  


Cessna Citation 1 (C500/C501)
Cessna Citation 2 (C550/C551)
Cessna Citation 5 (C560) and Citation Ultra 
Cessna CitationJet (C525)
Cessna Citation Bravo
Dassault Falcon DA10/50/900/900EX
Fokker 70 (F70)*

Propeller Driven

Avions de Transport Regional (ATR42)* 
Beechcraft 200/900,
British Aerospace 4100 Jetstream 41 (JS41)*
Cessna Golden Eagle (C421)
DeHavilland Canada  Twin Otter (DHC-6) 
DeHavilland Canada  Dash 7 (DHC-7)*
Fairchild Dornier D228* 
Mitsubishi MU2, 
Piper 31 Navajo, 
Piper 34 Seneca, 
Rockwell Commander 690B 
Partenavia P68
Saab 340B (SF34)*
Shorts 360 (SH36)*

* Aircraft usually used in airline service

Hope that helps!

Cheers  Smile

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6157 times:

AFAIK the CRJ has a relative small wing span thus needs quite a fair bit of runway to take off on(although they seem to climb very well)The B146's best attribute(argubly)is its solid STOL ability(short takeoff and landing)

User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6134 times:

the CRJs climb like a rocket, and even more so the CRJ 700s and 900s. but they need quite some t/o distance as was pointed out.
don´t know about the runway length at LCY, but FLR which is another good example, has a very short runway which is why no CRJs can operate there.

the funny thing is, Lufthansa CityLine serves both LCY and FLR whereas the longterm scheduling is done by LH in FRA, and not by CLH in CGN. and the LH people often put CRJs on the FLR rotations which gives CLH´s capacity management quite a headache.


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