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Airbus A340-500 First Delivery  
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

When will the first A340-500 be in service and what airline will get the first one? What route will they fly it on?



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

I´ve heard Air Canada, jan-feb-03
Dont know the route.

Michael, Sthlm /SE



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User currently offlineA340-Fan From Germany, joined Apr 2002, 252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

Maybe AC will fly YYZ-HKG, YYZ-NRT or YVR-HKG with the A345 first.

User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

You think Air Canada could re-start flights to India this time non-stop from Canada with the A340-500?

Hopefully when the economy is back!!!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

The first A340-500s are now due to enter revenue service with AC towards the end of Q1'03 and will be deployed on YYZ-HKG.

User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

What i have heard that it will be arriving sometime mid march and ya revenue flights will start april.....maybe sooner

Grant

P.S. I am trying to get the GTAE guys ( www.torontoaviation.com ) on board from the first revenue flight from YUL - YYZ.



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

While AC ordered the 345 with the intent to commence YYZ-HKG nonstop, there is still no announcement of this route by AC even with the delated delivery of the 2 aircraft to Mar/Apr.

No doubt AC will route-prove the 345 for a couple of months on shorter routes. However, unless AC commences a very longhaul route with the 345 (whether YYZ-HKG or India), the 345 will simply be an expensive & unnecessary addition to the eclectic AC fleet.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

While AC ordered the 345 with the intent to commence YYZ-HKG nonstop, there is still no announcement of this route by AC even with the delated delivery of the 2 aircraft to Mar/Apr.

Care to check this document for proposed YYZ-HKG operations.


User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

AC needs to settle Flight Attendant contract issues before they annouce this route. Apparently there are crew rest issues that have not been resolved.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

Care to check this document for proposed YYZ-HKG operations.

Thanks. This is the 1st confirmation I've seen that AC plans 345 nonstop service YYZ-HKG in summer 03.

However, there are 2 problems:
1. This service is listed as daily. This CANNOT be handled by 2 345's. This woud require a minimum of 3 345's to operate daily YYZ-HKG vv service. However, AC only has 2 345's on order, both for Mar/Apr 03. So this new service can't be daily. Unless AC puts a 744 on the route part time.

2. AC is showing a new daily YVR-SYD nonstop for summer 03 also with the 345. This would also require 3 345's to operate daily.

Hence, AC would need 6 345's next summer to operate YYZ-HKG and YVR-SYD nonstop on a daily basis, yet they only have 2 on order. This proposed timetable cannot be implemented.....I guess that's why they call it a "draft" schedule.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Its nice that Hong Kong gets the first A345's but with a fleet of two it will be very boring for spotters !!

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Hkgspotter!
So what´s funny to spot in HKG?? 744´s?
How long is this flight, YYZ-HKG??
Hmmmm.....couple of hours I´ll presume!!
Reg.
Michael Sthlm/SE  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

YYZ-HKG can be handled by 2 aircraft. The rotation time is 33 hrs with a 2 hr groundtime in HKG plus 15 hrs overnight at YYZ.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

YYZ-HKG can be handled by 2 aircraft. The rotation time is 33 hrs with a 2 hr groundtime in HKG plus 15 hrs overnight at YYZ.

Not without some backup aicraft for mx days.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

The 345 can be backed up by 343s for emergencies and scheduled heavy m/x with a techstop in YXY or something. I believe the 343/345 have common/concurrent cockpit ratings, so no crew rotations will get screwed up. 15 hr overnights are more than sufficient for line maintenance work.

It's not perfect, but its workable.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2605 times:

That's true Sean. It's still odd though that they would ID the 345 for both YYZ-HKG and YVR-SYD when 2 aircraft could barely handle just one route on a daily basis.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2590 times:

Neil - The purpose of this conference is primarily slot trading, so airlines prepare their wishlist and throw it into play. This year AC and KLM have proposed the most ambitious schedules. I believe that KLM proposed taking YVR to double daily with 767s, plus some major capacity increases in Asia (BKK to double daily, MNL to 14x weekly, etc...). Obviously they don't have the spare lift to fill all of these routes immediately, but its an indication of what they would like to do.

I'm pleased to see AC throw so much out on the table. My fellow Georgia Tech alumnus Robert Milton is doing something right, eh? Most of the US carriers, with the exception of Delta, have pretty much done nothing. US has changed nothing, AA wants JFK-FCO and JFK-BCN, UAL is doing nothing, NWAC wants KIX-ICN, CAL has EWR-GVA and thats pretty much it.


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2325 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

B747-437B

Do you have a link to the proposed KLM schedules as well? I don't understand how to navigate through the IATA schedules site.

Thanks in advance!
PW100



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

KLM schedules at http://www.iata.org/sked/_files/KL_S03-IATA-Schedules.xls.

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Most recent edition of wings, has the V.P of Flight Ops at Air Canada quoted as saying the -600's are still comming next year...


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Wings NEVER has on-time info/news! It's usually dated as soon as it hits the press.

AC has definitely deferred its 3 346's until spring 2004....I've read it from several sources.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2325 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

B747-437B
Thanks for the link. I've got the navigation now figured out.
Indeed, it's highly unlikley for KLM to go to double daily on AMS-YVR.

PW100



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