United777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7594 times:
Which aircraft is the world's longest range aircraft the Boeing 777-200LR or A340-500. Althought the 777-200LR will be in service way after the A340-500 does when the 777-200LR does enter service which aircraft will hold the titile for the "longest range aircraft"? Also could the 747-400ER fly the same routes as the A340-500 such as SIN-LAX, SIN-SFO or KUL-SEA?
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7474 times:
The longest ranged production aircraft in the world is the McDonnell Douglas KC-10A. This being due to the fact that the fuel tanks used primarily for refueling are tied into the aircraft's own fuel system, thus giving it an ENORMUS range if so needed.
B747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7404 times:
In the air force I was flying E-4s... (747 command posts) - with air to air refueling, we could be deployed in the air - for max 72 hours - 3 days...
During Gulf war, I flew a flight from Offutt, Nebraska, to Middle East, stayed on station for 24 hours, and headed back, never landed, total time in the air was 55 hours... we got refueled air-to-air 5 times from KC-10s...
Sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5243 posts, RR: 27 Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7364 times:
When you conducted the E-4 mission referenced above, how many crews were on board in rotation for each duty station? That sounds like some long march, indeed!
The mention of the Gulf War brings back memories of the massive numbers of GIs transported by US-flagged carriers. Didn't Pan Am remove its livery from some such 747s to reduce blatant exposure to sabotage?
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 36 Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7184 times:
according to www.boeing.com, it is the 777-200LR
Approximately 35 percent of the longer-range 777's design will be changed from earlier 777 models, although passengers won't notice it.
Provisions for up to three optional fuel tanks also are being added in the aft cargo compartment for the 777-200LR to allow for its 8,820 nautical miles (16,316 km) -- making it the longest range commercial airplane.
The Boeing 777 longer-range airplanes will have seat-mile costs that are 15 to 18 percent lower than the A340-500 and A340-600 models.
Fuel burn is considerably lower - 21 to 22 percent lower per seat for the longer-range 777s - when compared to the A340-500 and A340-600.
While BOTH manufacturers claim certain things, when Boeing suggests 22% increases, you can expect that even if they do not acheive this, they will not be wrong by 22%
B747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7125 times:
Dear Sccutler - regarding that long flight we had a triple crew since we did not know how long we would be in the air - was the days of the start of Desert Storm - I was in the Reserves and IP on the E-4 (Instructor Pilot then) and with PanAm at the same time - we had a waiver with PanAm on flight time duty time limitations to fly from the US to Saudi Arabia... was wild...
PanAm planes were flown with their colors - we refueled generally in Spain or Italy as the non-Nato nations (Switzerland-Austria) could not approve our overflights, our call signs were "Reach #" and routed from over Egypt into Saudi Arabia...
Looks like they will fly the same type of missions with all the CRAF in the next few weeks...
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7036 times:
The longest ranged commercial aircraft currently in service is the A342; the longest ranged commercial aircraft currently flying is the A345; and the longest ranged commercial aircraft currently planned is the 772LR.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 59 Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6995 times:
While you are technically correct, only 1 "A340-8000" (the higher MTOW of the -200) was built, and that was for a vip customer. The earlier -200s had lower ranges than even todays -300X. So from an airline perspective, the longest range commercial airliners are:
SAS_A330-300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6983 times:
The Airbus A340-200 has a range of 14800 km/8000 nm with typical payload.
So, of course you can use the it on routes like JFK/EWR-HKG. Unfortunately, it isn't so profitable like its longer sisters (less cargo and pax).
United777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6808 times:
Why does it seem like more airlines are ordering the A340-500 and not waiting for the 777-200LR? Do these airlines such as Emirates and Singapore Airlines which do plan to use the aircraft for ultra-long routes to US feel more better flying the routes with a 4-engine aircraft rather then a 2-engine aircraft even though the 777-200 has proved it could fly non-stop from KUL-SEA-KUL nonstop.
Wouldn't the 777-200LR fit good with airlines that already have a big 777 fleet such as SQ and EK and have the A340-500 just for long-haul routes?
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 59 Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6655 times:
I'm not sure when EK placed their A340-500 order, but SQ ordered the -500 before the technical specs on the -200LR were finalized, and before they made their switch to the -200ER. At the time SQ made their decision, the -200X was lighter, shorter-ranged and only had @ 105k lb. engines, which made performance sub-par. Please note also that SQ has only ordered 5 -500s, which are intended to 'test the waters' of the ultra-long range market. SQ has publically stated they intend to determine whether these routes can be operated profitablly before fully commiting to them.