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764 Commonality?  
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

From what I've read on a post here.... the 764 (unlike its two sister ships) does not share cockpit commonality with the 757... is this an accurate claim? Can anyone provide a source to verify/refute that? Thanks in advance!

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User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

Just look at the cockpits and you will see very little similarity in them, if any.

757-200

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767-400

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Actually, the 767-400 cockpit is very similar to that of the 777, but dont have the same type ratings.

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User currently offlineERFly From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

The 764 shares the same type rating with the other members of the family (B752, 753, 762 and 763). However, extensive differences training is necessary to be able to fly them on a regular basis.

User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Actually at CO, the 767-200's and the 767-400's have the same glass cockpit. So in that case they do have commonality.



User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Apparently, just like with the 737NG, you can switch between two commonality "modes".

You can select a display similar to 767-200s or -300s, or select a display similar to the 777.

In the 737NG, you can pick a 737 Classic display mode, or a 777 mode.

I wonder how all that works in reality...?

N


User currently offlineCdfmxtech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1341 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

The B767-400 DOES share commonality with the B767-200/300 and the B757-200/300. The B767 flightdeck while it has the 6 LCD displays similar to those on the B777, the B767-400 still "acts" like a B767 series aircraft. From a maintenance standpoint, it is a bit of a mutt - but it's not a B777.

But to answer your question, the B757/B767 share the same type ratings. The B767-400 doesn't share the same type rating as the B777


User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2392 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

Do the Continental B767-200s have the -400 style cockpit? I thought the changes were in the cabin.

User currently offlineERFly From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

The changes are simply in the cabin. The CO 762s and 764s have different cockpits. The 762 is very similar to the 757. The 764 is very similar to 777. I jumpseated on both of them from IAH-LAX-HNL-IAH last year. Flew with the same pilot for all 3. It was an interesting contrast between the -200 and -400, in the cockpit, the size and the performance.

User currently offlineCdfmxtech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1341 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

No - Continental B767-200s do not have the B767-400 flightdeck. They are 2 different airplanes up front. But system-wise, it is still a B767.
It's just the displays that have changed as far as the flightcrew interface is concerned.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

The Continental 762 DOES have the 757-200 Layout. The 767-400 has the 777 style Layout.

User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

BR,

No the 767-200's have the new 767-400 cockpit. I've flown it myself.


User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2392 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

Two no's and a yes! Any Continental pilot's out there? I would have thought that fitting a -400 flightdeck to a -200 would have been a little costly certification wise for a single airline's order.

User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Airzim-

Are you SURE they have the same cockpit?

Are you SURE you are a Continental pilot?

I have my doubts about both.


User currently offlineExnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

The 757/767 is one type rating. In the case of CO, the 752/753/762 cockpits are virtually identical. The primary differences between them are a slightly rearranged aft aisle stand and different maintenance panels on the aft sidewalls.

The 764 is as previously described. Not exactly like a 777, but close. If anyone has any doubts check out Section 6 of the CAL 757/767 AFM.


User currently offlineERFly From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

I was on Ship 159 (762). It had the B757 style cockpit.

I was also on Ships 051 and 055, the had the 777 Style cockpit.

I'm afraid airzim, I must disagree with you. I'm sure many 756 pilots at CAL as well as my former boss will also disagree with you.


User currently offlineCdfmxtech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1341 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

Airzim - Listen very carefully...
You DID NOT fly in a Continental Airlines B767-200 that had the same flightdeck as the Continental B767-400.

The B767-200 DOES NOT resemble the B767-400 or the B777 in the flightdeck as far as the displays are concerned.

The B767-200 resembles the B757. There is an Electronic ADI and Electronic HSI on both sides with 2 EICAS displays on top of each otehr in the center. The B767-400 has 6 displays str8 across like the B777


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4527 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

Airzim!

I am a Continental pilot on the 757/767 fleet and I fly all versions of the aircraft. The 757/200/300 and 767-200 have exactly the same cockpit display layout, ONLY the 767-400 has the 777 style six LCD display.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

So how much effort would it take for Boeing to offer the new cockpit on the old planes?

I mean, the first 737NGs didn't have LCDs, they had CRTs. But the 737-900 introduced LCDs. Now can't you get LCDs on all of them?

I realize the switch from 767-200 to 767-400 involves a lot more than that, but still.

And Airbus is offering the A340-600 cockpit on the A330s and A340s now, aren't they?

Am I comparing apples to oranges?

N


User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

Would be interested to hear how the Continental pilots who are typed on all variants (752/762/764) feel about the arrangement. How often do you have to fly the 764 to keep current on it.

It's bad enough with us flying the 752/762/763. We don't have to fly a 767 for years, but still have it as a current type rating provided we take alternate simulator assessments (i.e. 752/763/752/763, etc...).

This is something many of our pilots disagree with. Whilst the 752 and 762 are very similar aircraft, I find the 763 a different ball game to fly.

Rick.



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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5085 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1274 times:

Does the 763 and 764 have similar cockpit? Or does the 764 have more in common with the 777?


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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

JAL,

I think we've covered that?....

"The 757/200/300 and 767-200 have exactly the same cockpit display layout, ONLY the 767-400 has the 777 style six LCD display."

"The B767-200 resembles the B757. There is an Electronic ADI and Electronic HSI on both sides with 2 EICAS displays on top of each otehr in the center. The B767-400 has 6 displays str8 across like the B777"

"The Continental 762 DOES have the 757-200 Layout. The 767-400 has the 777 style Layout"

"Actually, the 767-400 cockpit is very similar to that of the 777, but dont have the same type ratings"



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User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

I apologize I stand corrected.

I never said that I was a CO pilot, I just said that I flew a CO 767 (only the 764 not the 762).



User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

It's fine, I suppose I simply misunderstood you.

The 767-400ER is still a 767, no doubt, but the cockpit layout is quite similar to the 777. CO pilots change between the variants quite often, I myself fly the 757 as much as the 767, maybe even a bit more as the 757 trips and scheduling sometimes work more favorably for me . We underwent training to convert to the 764 prior to its delivery, but the program was short and only a bit more extensive than the differences training that one would receive when transferring from 757-200/300 to 767-200/300. An interesting feature of the 764 cockpit is that, while the displays are arranged nearly identical to the 777, the information that you can show on them can be programmed to present information like the earlier 767s and 757s, or in the same format as the 777.


User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1109 times:

I appreciate the clarification.

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