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A Few Cargo Ops Questions...  
User currently offlineMia777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2002, 1165 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

1) What is Airborne express? What types of airplanes do they operate and why are there so many props of their located at FLL? (ok I know what it is but what do they do, what type of operations and primarily, where???)

2)Pretty much the same thing except for DHL...where is their hub? Is it European?

3) How sizable are the UPS and FedEx ops in Europe (and around the world)? Do they hire third-party contractors or do they fly there own aircraft? If so, where are their world hubs?

Thanks!

MIA777


MIA777
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User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

Not up to speed on #3 but I can answer #1 & #2...

Airborne Express is a freight operator based at a former US Air Force Base in Wilmington, Ohio, about 1 hour's drive from DAY. The YS-11 props that you see parked at FLL are retired aircraft that are sitting in storage. They fly primarily DC-8, DC-9 and B-767 aircraft. Formerly, they also used to fly Caravelle's. Most, if not all of their operations are US Domestic, with some transborder flights.

DHL is based at CVG and operates basically the same as ABX or BAX (our of TOL) with the exception that they also have subsidiaries that operate in Europe and South & Central America. They operate B-727's, B-757's and A-300's.

Hope this helps...

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineSeagull From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

FedEx operates its own aircraft to virtually all major cities worldwide, UPS operates its own aircraft to many major cities world wide. FedEx flight ops is about double what UPS is and has about triple the international route authority, perhaps more. Both companies utilize third parties for many smaller or less developed cities.

User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1668 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

ABX I can tell you does operate Transborder they fly into YHM(Hamilton Ontario) Not sure about any other canadian Cities.
UPS
United States:
Louisville, Ky. (Main US Air Hub)
Philadelphia, Pa.
Dallas, Texas
Ontario, Calif.
Rockford, Ill.
Columbia, S.C.
Hartford, Conn.

Europe: Cologne/Bonn, Germany

Asia Pacific:Taipei; Taiwan; Hong Kong; Singapore;

Latin America and Caribbean: Miami, Fla., USA

Canada: Hamilton, Ontario; Montreal, Quebec; Vancouver, British Columbia; Calgary, Alberta; Winnipeg, Manitoba
(taken from ups.com)



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User currently offlineMia777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2002, 1165 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

alright guys thanks for the speedy responses...but one question...


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by the looks of this picture, it looks like the DHL ops in Europe are not run under subsidaries and actually large of amounts of money are put into it (5 752s)...just wondering...

MIA777



MIA777
User currently offlineMia777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2002, 1165 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

oh and I meant to ask if anyone knew any fleet numbers...once again thanks!


MIA777
User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1668 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1493 times:

UPS Jet Aircraft:
51 727-100
10 727-200
11 747-100
4 747-200
75 757-200
32 767-300
23 DC-8-71
26 DC-8-73
22 Airbus A300F4-620R
257 Total

This is slightly outdayes as they have aquired MD-11s which aren't on here but it will give you some idea. Oh and yourwelcome.



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

I worked with both ABX and FedEx at LAX. For FE, they have a sweet operation going on. They are very efficient and when problems would arise, they were quick to act on it and solve it. I was quite impressed with FedEx.

Then there's ABX. I would work with ABX in the mornings for their 430am and 515am flights. I can truly say that I have never seen a worse operation than ABX. I think ABX only flies the 767 into LAX, both the -200 and -300 Package Freighters coming from Dayton and Wilmington. The planes were always late, and when they came in, they were in horrid shape. So many times, the flaps would be rusted and the aircraft was filthy. Inside, it smelled like cat urine and if I had a dollar for everytime ABX dropped a package off the belt, stepped on a package, or forgot about a package, then I'd be a rich rich man. Also, the equipment they used was so ancient, that I was suprised it worked. It was just a half-done operation. They were almost as bad as Kitty Hawk, who I'd say is the worst operator anywhere, ever. I'd like to say that this is at LAX, and possibly, ABX's ops are better elsewhere. But from my firsthand experience with them, it was an astonishing sight.

Some people may say that this is how all cargo airlines are at one point, but FedEx would never do anything like that. And if they did, they'd be fired. Also Polar Air and UPS were very good.

LAX also has BAX fly in. They were up there with ABX in terms of ops. Their DC-8s from 1965 were grossly outdated. The cockpit had wires exposed the plane always looked like this was its last flight. The only reason I don't rank BAX with ABX and Kitty Hawk is because I didn't have as much experience with them, and I don't want to say anything I don't know for sure.



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User currently offlineCrewChief32 From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

European Hub for DHL is Brussels.
The aircrafts have full DHL colours but are operated by either EAT-European Air Transport of Belgium (with Convair 580, 727-100/-200, 75F & A300), Swiftair of Spain (CV-580 & B722) or Air Contractors of Ireland with A300s in DHL c/s and B722s in Air Contractor c/s.

CC32


User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1455 times:

Fedex probably has the "top" reputation for delivery - fast + on time...
UPS probably not far behind...
xxx
But when comes to overseas - anywhere in the world, DHL is the best...
International - when in doubt if is ok - use DHL...
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineNightfly From Germany, joined Nov 2000, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

in Europe, some DHL flights are operated by Atlantic Airlines, some UPS flights by Channel Express and WDL. Both airlines air painted in their own colours.

CGN is the european hub of UPS. All flights into Europe go to there by one 747 and some 767 (sometimes with stops in CDG or EMA). Nearly all of them come from USA (Philadelphia, Louisville).

Inside Europe UPS uses 7x B757 and some A300 and 727 of their own fleet. I don´t know the exact number of the last two mentioned but I believe there are about 8x 727 and 2x A300. In addition to that Channel Express operates up to 3 daily flights from UK to CGN using A300. Several destinations with lower demand are operated by some F27 of WDL.

Best regards,
nightfly


User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3381 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

OK heres how I understand it, as explained to me by a DHL pilot. DHL and DHL are two seperate corporate entities (neither is a subsidiary). Owning each other is not possible due to foreign ownership rules, however they have a large amount of legaly binding agreements to cooperate that sort of get around this. DHL uses a variety of smaller companies as subcontractors in the US like UPS or ABX, but also contract to Evergreen, who use dc-9s!

Doug
-former evergreen/eagle ramper employed loading Kittyhawk, UPS, and their subcontractor (Ameriflight)
PDX/LAF



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User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

"FedEx operates its own aircraft to virtually all major cities worldwide, UPS operates its own aircraft to many major cities world wide. FedEx flight ops is about double what UPS is and has about triple the international route authority, perhaps more."

UPS was the first to reach every address in all 50 states. UPS flight ops are smaller than Fed Ex due to UPS being able to use a trucks to deliver in a lot of cases rather than a plane. That is why UPS' profit is higher. Fed Ex has more flights to the Pacific rim at the moment,but UPS was shipping internationally before Fed Ex was able to reach all 50 states. The Cologne Germany hub opened in 1976. UPS has more routes in Latin America and a stronger European operation.

UPS does ship bulk aircargo. There is more profit in parcels and documents but UPS fills space with cargo. UPS World Wide Logistics is one of the largest freight forwarders in the world. With the acquisition of Fritz, Fed Ex was even a customer of UPS.

UPS and FedEx have petitioned the federal government to review DHL's ownership structure, charging that DHL Airways is owned and controlled by Deutsche Post, the German postal monopoly that is 70 percent owned by the German government. UPS and FedEx say the ownership is disguised in a complex arrangement of subsidiaries.

Some of UPS' flights are operated with UPS aircraft but flown by Star Air.



User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1869 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

IN Europe, FDX operates its own fleet of jet.
They also own Shorts 360, that are in FDX colors, but not operated by Fedex.
They also contract several operators such as Farnair Europe, for the Eurone network.
As far as I know, the planes are in the operators colors and include Hercules C130, ATR (42 and 72?), F27, Jetstream41, ...
Teva



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User currently offlineLekky-Man From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1261 times:

And the Lockheed L188 Electra!!!

AAG have at least 2 of them running running for DHL constantly.

Cheers,
LM


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