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AA New Service: JFK-FCO, JFK-BCN..etc  
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

The tenative new summer Atlantic/Pacific schedule is out.

New service includes:
JFK-FCO (Rome, Italy) Starts 5/1/03
JFK-BCN (Barcelona, Spain) Starts 6/1/03
DFW-NRT (2nd flight upgraded to Daily) Starts 6/1/03
LAX-NRT (previously announced) Starts 4/1/03

Note that all 763's will be in 2-class configuration in 212 30J/182Y config.
LHR will go all 777

Tenative Schedule Includes:

ORD-LHR 777 (5 dailys,return of morning departure)
ORD-LHR 777
ORD-LHR 777
ORD-LHR 777
ORD-LHR 777
ORD-NRT 777
ORD-FCO 763 (RETURNS 4/6/03)
ORD-CDG 763
ORD-BRU 763
ORD-MAN 763
ORD-GLA 763 (RETURNS 5/15/03)
ORD-FRA 763

DFW-NRT 777
DFW-NRT 777 (BECOMES DAILY FROM 4X WEEKLY 6/1/3)
DFW-LGW 777
DFW-LGW 777
DFW-FRA 777
DFW-CDG 763
DFW-CDG 763 (STARTS 6/1/03)
DFW-ZRH 763

BOS-LHR 777
BOS-LHR 777
BOS-CDG 763
BOS-BDA 757

LAX-LHR 777
LAX-NRT 777 (STARTS 4/1/03)

MIA-LHR 777
MIA-CDG 763
MIA-MAD 763

JFK-LHR 777 (6 DAILY, 2 MORNING DEPARTURES)
JFK-LHR 777
JFK-LHR 777
JFK-LHR 777
JFK-LHR 777
JFK-LHR 777
JFK-NRT 777
JFK-CDG 763
JFK-CDG 763
JFK-ZRH 763
JFK-BCN 763 (STARTS 6/1/03)
JFK-FCO 763 (STARTS 5/1/03)
JFK-BDA 757
JFK-BDA 757 X6, 762 6

EWR-LHR 777

RDU-LGW 777

SJC-NRT 777

STL-LGW 763


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User currently offlineRedraider From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

Is Barcelona code-shared with Iberia?
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My wife can't wrestle, but you should see her box.
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

JFK-BCN is an AA flight, same with JFK-FCO.

AA172 JFK BCN 6:20P 8:00A 763
AA171 BCN JFK 11:30A 1:50P 763

AA166 JFK FCO 6:15P 8:55A 763
AA165 FCO JFK 10:45A 2:20P 763


User currently offlineRedraider From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

I gathered that, but will Iberia code share on the flight?


My wife can't wrestle, but you should see her box.
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4760 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

With their JFK-FCO service, that will bring total daily flights from JFK to FCO up to 4 services:

DL 148/AZ 7615
AZ 611/DL 7611
AZ 609

And now the AA service. I wonder how successful this route will be and if AZ will allow more competition on their prized route...



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

What is the flight number of the AZ 772 flight to JFK and is it from FCO or Milan?


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4760 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

Donder,

The AZ 772 flight is from FCO....

AZ 611 is the flight number that the 777 will operate.

-G



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

I wonder why Paris is going all 767, I thought from JFK or ORD there is demand for atleast 1 777.

Also, what time does the new 2nd daily DFW-CDG flight leave DFW at?

blink



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineAlpere1 From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Iberia will likely codeshare with AA on the JFK-BCN route, IB pulled out of the BCN-JFK route almost two years ago dued to very low load factors, I wonder why does AA think they'll make it better? Time will tell..


User currently offlineCmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

This is great to see, the more AA flies, the better. Possibly because of this news of this AMR stock went up $0.12 to $6.40.
DC-10's Forever



"Traveling light is the only way to fly" - Eric Clapton
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Iberia will likely codeshare with AA on the JFK-BCN route, IB pulled out of the BCN-JFK route almost two years ago dued to very low load factors, I wonder why does AA think they'll make it better? Time will tell.

Flight was discontinued about a year ago. Loads were very light, averaging about half-full, although cargo was good. Most US-Barcelona traffic is US-originating, so AA has the upperhand with that. Iberia has been wanting to open up MIA-BCN for a while, but has been unable as the lack of US-ES Open Skies has restricted them from that. Hopefully that will change.



a.
User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Sorry I deleted this, however I felt like it was a copyright violation. It turns out that it isn't and I apologize for my mistake.


::BUMP::

-174thfwff


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5198 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

ex-TWA routes out of JFK. Maybe they will take AAdvantage of TWA's vast authorities in their bid to increase international flying. Does anyone have a list of TWA's authority that is still current under AA ownership?


Next up, STL-ATL-MSY-ATL-STL
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Thanks man.....I was gonna say, what did it get deleted for. There is so much other garbage that gets by on this site and I actually post something factual and it gets deleted....oh well, thanks for bringing it back.

Back to the other comments from earlier. CDG in the past had always been primarily all 763. Within the past year DFW-CDG has been upgraded to a 777 along with occasionally one of the JFK-CDG routes. However, the reconfigured 763's suit CDG better as the 777's will be needed for LHR when it goes all 777 in order to have 3-class aircraft operating all flights. Traditionally, BOS, EWR, and some JFK-LHR flight have been operated by the 763's.

The DFW-CDG schedule:

AA 124 DFW CDG 3:00pm 7:30am 763 Starts 6/1/03
AA 48 DFW CDG 5:30pm 10:00am 763

AA 49 CDG DFW 10:50am 2:35pm 763
AA 125 CDG DFW 3:05pm 6:40pm 763 Starts 6/2/03


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2400 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

AA Will start the following routes in December.
got it from sabre.

JFK-SJO twice a week (757-A300)
JFK-LRM once a week (757)
JFK-POS twice a week (757)



"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineDutchDeltaDude From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

I keep on wondering why AA doesn't fly to AMS.
NW, CO, DL, UA and US are all fly to The Netherlands.
And nobody is flying AMS-DFW. Sounds like a good route for AA.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Im looking foward to AA 777s at EWR, alongside CO and UAL's.


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

DutchDeltaDude(nice name btw),

There are already 2 dailies to IAH from AMS, I am not sure Texas needs a 3rd daily to The Netherlands. I am sure if anybody from the Dallas/Ft.Worth area needed to get to AMS or anybody from The Netherlands needed to get to the DFW area, they would go through IAH, and evidently, the need for DFW service is not strong enough to warrant a DFW flight.

What I am surprised about is how DFW-MAD is untapped. I wish Iberia or American would step in and connect two oneworld hubs.

blink



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

What I am surprised about is how DFW-MAD is untapped. I wish Iberia or American would step in and connect two oneworld hubs.

Been there, done that. American tried out the service and it never met expectations and was quickly moved to MIA.



a.
User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

The JFK-FCO start up seems odd, sort of like UA's IAD-EZE. I thought the idea was to retrench towards your stength markets. AZ/DL have NYC and Italy covered with revenue sharing, service out of EWR and JFK, as well as VCE and MXP. What US or Italian company/consolidator having significant business in this lane would move to AA? The Italians will be leveraged by AZ on other lanes out of Rome. The big US consolidators out of NYC, like Perillo Tours need service from both EWR and JFK not to mention all the other US gateways DL/AZ cover. AA will be left with their NYC FF base and some small fry accounts to make this work. I don't see it working out for them year round.


This will turn out like AA's JFK-CDG flights. After DL/AF hooked up AA decides to put in two CDG flights one a 777. Now they're down to 1 1/2 767s.


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2400 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

PSU.DTW.DCE.?

Where did you get this info from? Just curious?



"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8171 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

I am stunned at the amount of UK traffic - six 777s to LHR from JFK, five from O'Hare, plus Dallas x2, Raleigh and other LGW service... It's massive.


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

American has been operating six daily flights from JFK to LHR since 1991, when it acquired TWA's slots. It used to fly 2 747-SP's, two 762's, and two 763's, eventually this was changed to A300-600/B763 and B762 service but at one point, five out of six flights were being operated with MD11's.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3949 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2166 times:
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ContinentalEWR, the 2 747SP's used to fly to BRU. They never flew to LHR. You're right about the A300, MD-11 and B767, they have all been operated on the JFK-LHR route within the last 10 years or so. Now it's all 777.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



Ben Soriano
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

This info was in an IATA filing earlier this month for the fall slot allocation conference.

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